Cindy Sheehan Quits

[thinkingaboutit]

I don't have sacred cows, I'm willing to judge everything case by case.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I don't have sacred cows, I'm willing to judge everything case by case.

Me too. That is what I am doing here.

 

[BPSCG]

I don't have sacred cows...

If you don't think there is something holy about a New York strip steak sizzling on the grill, there is something wrong with you, unbeliever.

 

[MaGZ]

I didn’t mind her protesting the war, but she didn’t have to go the Cuba and Venezuela, meet with the dictators there and be used by the anti-American Left.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

If you don't think there is something holy about a New York strip steak sizzling on the grill, there is something wrong with you, unbeliever.

Infidel.

All right-thinkers know that the filet and the ribeye are superior.

You will burn on the Eternal Grill of Righteousness for thy transgression.

 

[BPSCG]

Infidel.

All right-thinkers know that the filet and the ribeye are superior.

You will burn on the Eternal Grill of Righteousness for thy transgression.

Your dispute with me is over a tiny theological point; I hold that the New York Strip is holy; you argue that the ribeye is holier. But I know you would not dispute that they can both be holy (a fair analogy would be two Christians arguing over whether Jesus Christ is holy or the Virgin Mary is holy; the true Christian believes they both are). We agree on the essential theological point: the cow on the grill is sacred. Blessed be the cow.

We must band together in the face of the common enemy, who name themselves "The Central Scrutinizer" and "thinkingaboutit." For they hold that no cow is sacred. As they are a-cow-ist unbelievers, they must die in the prescribed manner, which is to be roasted on the Sacred Spit of Weber. I hereby issue a fatwa. Let it be done.

 

[Darth Rotor]

We must band together in the face of the common enemy, who name themselves "The Central Scrutinizer" and "thinkingaboutit." For they hold that no cow is sacred. As they are a-cow-ist unbelievers, they must die in the prescribed manner, which is to be roasted on the Sacred Spit of Weber. I hereby issue a fatwa.

Splitter!

As we True Belivers know, the Book of Kingsford proscribes the following for a fatwa of that brand of heretic:

Chapter 7, verse 11:

The unbelievers are to be quartered, inserted into a wood chipper (previously used to chip mesquite) and the slurry/output collected in a large stew pot. Slow cook (with one onion chopped per 3 pounds of puree'd heretic) over a charcoal fire, adding chili powder, cayanne pepper, diced jalapenos, and salt to taste.

Heretics are not to be grilled as the most holy cow, they are not to defile the holy grill grid with their remains. They are consigned to slow cooked in the chili pot. For especially vile heretics, one may add pinto beans into the heretichili at a ratio of one pound pinto beans, soaked, per 10 pounds of heretic. (Of course, we True Believers prefer the beans on the side.)

Get your dogma straight in the Housa Heretichili Bar and Grill, or thou wilst surely be the next in the chili pot.

DR

 

[Tricky]

He chose to serve. She not only did not respect his choice, she went over the top in her ranting about it, and the fact that his decision to stay in kept him in long enough to end up where hot lead flew, and sadly, hit him.

This whole "respect" business is a bit iffy, because most often it is a third person judging what "respect" means. Let's just say she didn't agree with his choice and was vocal about it.

I followed her public statements with keen interest, since a lot of anti war folks seemed to rally to her over the top approach. Her appeal had no integrity, for all that I do not doubt for a second that her grief was genuine. She damaged the anti war effort by being so visible, so usable, so willing to be used, and so willing to say anything, however irrational, however inane, however simply wrong, to lash out at whoever.

I don't think she damaged the anti-war effort at all. I think she caused a whole lot of people who were being quiet about it to come out and show their anger too. I think that the fact that so many on the right reacted so strongly to her indicates exactly how afraid they were of her. You don't demonize someone who is no threat to you, you just ignore them.

As I have said, while I don't respect her intellect that much, I have to respect her passion and dedication. I also think that you can make a good case that she will ultimately save a bunch of lives by hurrying the end to a no-win war.

Note the difference in how the Tillman family handled their grief.

And notice how little effect it has had.

Sorry, that woman has more issues than National Geographic, and she, by her actions, smeared here son's good name.

She cannot smear her son's name. Only he can do that. If you think he has been dishonored, then that would say to me that you think he lost his honor, something I would not agree with. He would not be responsible, even if he were alive, for his mother's actions.

But I had to chuckle at the "issues" pun. I'll borrow it some time.

 

[Darth Rotor]

This whole "respect" business is a bit iffy, because most often it is a third person judging what "respect" means. Let's just say she didn't agree with his choice and was vocal about it.

Tell ya what, I see where you are coming from, and from a grief and anger angle, I have always understand her motives. Her willingness to wander off into non sequitur after non sequitur, and to spout any anti Bush meme, regardless of its veracity, was self destructive.

As to her son's legacy, "disrespect" is about what she did for her son, and her family. Beyond that, we have beaten this horse into the ground and can meet about halfway.

I don't think she damaged the anti-war effort at all.

I do, I think she added fuel to a meme that anti-war people were whackos, which is hardly a fair to a great many of the reasonably well grounded anti war crowd. (Lind. Rockwell. Ellsberg. Chomsky.)

And notice how little effect it {Tillman family effort} has had.

Nonsense, the Tillman's approach, with integrity, forced open a "closed case" and forced a re-investigation into a cover up, and is exposing the undue influence of the chain of command, into the civilian levels, all thanks to their non whacko approach to their son's case. They had an effect, and IMO, a far more powerful one.

They enlisted some credible and powerful allies, like Newsweek and Sports Illustrated, who reach a broader audience, to chime in on their side. No, it doesn't bring Pat back, damn the bad luck of mortality.

DR

 

[BPSCG]

They are consigned to slow cooked in the chili pot. For especially vile heretics, one may add pinto beans into the heretichili at a ratio of one pound pinto beans, soaked, per 10 pounds of heretic. (Of course, we True Believers prefer the beans on the side.)

Get your dogma straight in the Housa Heretichili Bar and Grill, or thou wilst surely be the next in the chili pot.

DR

Chili with beans?

Reformist! Everyone knows the only proper way to eat HeretiChili is to pour one ladleful into an open 8-ounce bag of Fritos and serve it to unbelievers as "Frito Pie," accompanied by Diet Coke, whilst the Chosen Ones feast on New York strip, ribeye, or filet, accompanied by a tankard of Guinness stout or a bottle of Rosenblum Petit Sirah '03.

Now go say seven Hail Marblings as penance.

Hail Marbling, full of Fat,
Blessed art thou...

 

[Darth Rotor]

Chili with beans?

Reformist! Everyone knows the only proper way to eat HeretiChili is to pour one ladleful into an open 8-ounce bag of Fritos and serve it to unbelievers as "Frito Pie," accompanied by Diet Coke, whilst the Chosen Ones feast on New York strip, ribeye, or filet, accompanied by a tankard of Guinness stout or a bottle of Rosenblum Petit Sirah '03.

Now go say seven Hail Marblings as penance.

Hail Marbling, full of Fat,
Blessed art thou...

Again, your dogma is roadkill. I'll say an "Our Chili" aka the "Farter Noster"

Our chili
Who art on simmer
Hotness be thy fame
Thy three alarm
Does tastebuds harm
With beans
Or without like a Texan*

Give us this day
Our fresh corn bread
And forgive us a tomato or two
As we forgive beans in thy pot

And lead us not unto queso
But deliver us from sour cream

For thine is the spiciness
And the power
Of flatus, forever.

Amen.

DR

*

The cook-off challenge started when H. Allen Smith wrote a story for the August 1967 Holiday Magazine titled Nobody Knows More About Chili Than I Do, which claimed that no one in Texas could make proper chili. Smith contended that ". . . no living man, I repeat, can put together a pot of chili as ambrosial, as delicately and zestfully flavorful, as the chili I make." His article included his recipe for chili that included beans.

Of course, this offended many Texans who would never consider adding beans to their chili. When Frank Tolbert (1912-1984), famous journalist and author of A Bowl of Red, saw Smith's article, he started open warfare in the press with a column he wrote for the Dallas News. A reader suggested that Fowler answer the challenge, which he did. The cook-off competition ended in a tie vote when the tie-breaker judge, Dave Witts, a Dallas lawyer and self-proclaimed mayor of Terlingua, spat out his chili, declaring that his taste buds were "ruint," and said they would have to do the whole thing over again next year.

According to Gary Cartwright, writer for Sports Illustrated, the blindfolded judge number three, David Witts, was given a spoonful of chili which he promptly spit out all over the referee's foot. "Then he went into convulsions. He rammed a white handerkerchief down his throat as though he were cleaning a rifle barrel, and in an agonizing whisper Witts pronounced himself unable to go on."

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Chili/ChiliHistory.htm

 

[Tricky]

<deceased equine part snipped>

I do, I think she added fuel to a meme that anti-war people were whackos, which is hardly a fair to a great many of the reasonably well grounded anti war crowd. (Lind. Rockwell. Ellsberg. Chomsky.)

I doubt it, at least not among serious observers. They would not confuse the rantings of a grief stricken woman with serious discussion. The worst you can say is that she lowered the level of the discussion, but what with the way even thoughtful anti-war people were already being villified, it didn't have very far to fall.

Nonsense, the Tillman's approach, with integrity, forced open a "closed case" and forced a re-investigation into a cover up, and is exposing the undue influence of the chain of command, into the civilian levels, all thanks to their non whacko approach to their son's case. They had an effect, and IMO, a far more powerful one.

I'm not seeing that. Of course, that might be in part because of the revelation that Tillman was not a Christian, but still, I don't see any big opinion swings that came out of the Tillman affair. Another reason for that might be that Tillman died in Afghanistan, a place where even a lot of anti-Iraq-war people (like myself) think we should stay.

They enlisted some credible and powerful allies, like Newsweek and Sports Illustrated, who reach a broader audience, to chime in on their side. No, it doesn't bring Pat back, damn the bad luck of mortality.

I still maintain that while people on both sides of the Iraq issue regard Tillman's death as tragic and deserving of investigation, it didn't significantly change the tenor of the debate.

But like you, my arm is getting tired from all this beating. Hand me a beer and a bowl of red. Don't want no damn fritos in my chili neither.

 

[Darth Rotor]

But like you, my arm is getting tired from all this beating.

Ioin doesn't seem to have that problem, no wonder he needs glasses.

Hand me a beer and a bowl of red. Don't want no damn fritos in my chili neither.

Got it. Three alarm chili, no beans, no fritos, plenty of freshly chopped jalapenos, and ice cold Dos Equis beer. Beat them horses.

DR

 

[Tricky]

Got it. Three alarm chili, no beans, no fritos, plenty of freshly chopped jalapenos, and ice cold Dos Equis beer. Beat them horses.

DR

Frijoles, si. Fritos, no. Jalapeños, no (me ano es sensible). Dos Equis, si si si.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Frijoles, si. Fritos, no. Jalapeños, no (me ano es sensible). Dos Equis, si si si.

*damned special orders*

OK, add beans, hold the Jalapenos, (adds three more tbsp chili powder)

y tres cervezas Dos Equis.

"Order's up!"

DR

 

[fuelair]

Making Bush comparisons is the best we can do? Can we not discuss Cindy Sheehan?

Well, with no offense, there is a direct relation between them and unfortunately for your argument that makes comparison between them pretty much unavoidable. For example, she wants to stop US troops dying needlessly in Iraq where Bush could not care less (golf anyone) (you are free to believe otherwise - if you do, you have paid no attention to Bush). She has more honor in her (proverbial) little finger than Bush will ever have (since he starts with none and long went down from that).
By the by, I am a vet (VietNam, Binh Hoa, next to POW hospital, just down the street from the LBJ(Long Binh Jail) and just far enough away to be in no real danger when the VC fired rockets at the BOQ or the ammo dump. 10 points if you can identify my unit from that - and, to help, not the evac hospital.).

 

[Darth Rotor]

Well, with no offense, there is a direct relation between them and unfortunately for your argument that makes comparison between them pretty much unavoidable. For example, she wants to stop US troops dying needlessly in Iraq where Bush could not care less (golf anyone) (you are free to believe otherwise - if you do, you have paid no attention to Bush). She has more honor in her (proverbial) little finger than Bush will ever have (since he starts with none and long went down from that).
By the by, I am a vet (VietNam, Binh Hoa, next to POW hospital, just down the street from the LBJ(Long Binh Jail) and just far enough away to be in no real danger when the VC fired rockets at the BOQ or the ammo dump. 10 points if you can identify my unit from that - and, to help, not the evac hospital.).

W doesn't golf, last I checked, but his dad does, as does Slick Willy. I hear he bikes and hikes.

Will check on his past history as golfer. One can find out a bit about someone by golfing with

ETA: My bad, he's a 15 handicapper. http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/georgewbush/main.htm

What did I expect, given Prescott Bush was president of USGA (his great grand uncle, or something like that.)

DR

 

[fuelair]

W doesn't golf, last I checked, but his dad does, as does Slick Willy. I hear he bikes and hikes.

Will check on his past history as golfer. One can find out a bit about someone by golfing with

ETA: My bad, he's a 15 handicapper. http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/georgewbush/main.htm

What did I expect, given Prescott Bush was president of USGA (his great grand uncle, or something like that.)

DR

You may dislike my source for it: Michael Moore in Farenheit 911 - unedited news footage - bush is talking about a serious problem, sneers (my interpretation) laughs and says (not an exact quote) as he turns to hit the ball .....Watch this one guys!
Just as an aside: and recognizing it is just my word for it - I really do not make up stuff here or elsewhere though I freely admit to interpreting events and actions and noting my interpretations. I assume the same of others here - that is to say unless someone has given me reason to believe they lie (DOC or Pdoh or AmyWilson) or constantly misinterpret (any troofer, lightislife,etc.) I assume they are being truthful within their limitations and available data.

 

[Ion]

...and a lesson to us all in letting our passion and rage hamper our judgment.

DR

Like causing a war based on passion with no facts.

 

[mr rosewater]

Like causing war based on passion with no facts.

Good a reason as any, no.