Cindy Sheehan Quits

[Gurdur]

She allowed herself to be used. She just realized how much fun they have been having with her, and it is no longer "good for her."

A lesson for all attention whores, and a lesson to us all in letting our passion and rage hamper our judgment.

DR

I would suggest you wait until you have lost a child of your own before uttering this kind of sanctimonious crap.

It may make you feel good to utter such banal moralizing; it sure doesn't address any real issue.

 

[g4macdad]

I would suggest you wait until you have lost a child of your own before uttering this kind of sanctimonious crap.

It may make you feel good to utter such banal moralizing; it sure doesn't address any real issue.

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

 

[Tricky]

I always thought Cindy Sheehan was politically naïve. Still, I have to tip my hat to her for standing on her principles through great personal hardship, through ridicule and abuse from many sides. More than almost anyone else, she made it acceptable for average citizens to criticize the war. Was she a pawn? Yes, probably so, but she was a willing one. Was she betrayed by the Democrats? I don't think so. If she honestly thought that the slim majorities the Dems won in the last elections were enough to override inertia and the veto clout of a sitting President who opposed them (and her) strongly, then she was, as I say, naïve.

I hope she finds peace, but I don't expect it. "Deep thinker" is not a term that is likely to be applied to her.

 

[corplinx]

I would suggest you wait until you have lost a child of your own before uttering this kind of sanctimonious crap.

Ding ding ding. Rotor got Shee-hanned. The reason why the democratic party and other people used Cindy Sheehan was because they could portray criticism of her activities and ideas negatively by resorting to emotional appeals.

Thank you for demonstrating why I won't miss this woman.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Sometimes people base their suspicions on something. No need to get all defensive, I just asked a question. I asked for evidence because I was skeptical of your claim and thought you might have something to actually back it up. I wanted to see if there was anything behind your suspicion. Seem reasonable enough?

I based my suspicion on common sense and experience. I've seen this play a thousand times before.

 

[Tricky]

Ding ding ding. Rotor got Shee-hanned. The reason why the democratic party and other people used Cindy Sheehan was because they could portray criticism of her activities and ideas negatively by resorting to emotional appeals.

But TriCorder, we got into this war because of, to a great extent, emotional appeals and scare tactics. Isn't it only fair that it should go both ways?

Thank you for demonstrating why I won't miss this woman.

Just as many of us won't miss our current President and his cronies, when they finally leave.

 

[corplinx]

But TriCorder, we got into this war because of, to a great extent, emotional appeals and scare tactics. Isn't it only fair that it should go both ways?

Just as many of us won't miss our current President and his cronies, when they finally leave.

Making Bush comparisons is the best we can do? Can we not discuss Cindy Sheehan?

 

[Tricky]

Making Bush comparisons is the best we can do? Can we not discuss Cindy Sheehan?

LOL. You never commented on Post 23. Don't tell me I'm not discussing Sheehan. However, the point about "emotional appeals" being used not only by Sheehan but by others is a quite valid one and relevant to the discussion, I think.

 

[corplinx]

LOL. You never commented on Post 23. Don't tell me I'm not discussing Sheehan. However, the point about "emotional appeals" being used not only by Sheehan but by others is a quite valid one and relevant to the discussion, I think.

I hearby denounce everyone in the world who uses emotional appeals. Happy? Why don't you start listing all of their names in this thread to downplay that criticism of people who use that technique on people who criticize the words or methods of Cindy Sheehan?

I thought post 23 was well said, well worded, thoughtful, and needed no reply. I can make one up if you just want to pick a fight or something. But I think your words stand well enough on their own without anyone playing devil's advocate even.

 

[Tricky]

I hearby denounce everyone in the world who uses emotional appeals. Happy?

Outrageously.

Why don't you start listing all of their names in this thread to downplay that criticism of people who use that technique on people who criticize the words or methods of Cindy Sheehan?

'Cause I'd rather pick on you. You're so cute an' cuddly. Also, I know you aren't an idiot. Maybe a bit high-strung...

I thought post 23 was well said, well worded, thoughtful, and needed no reply.

I can make one up if you just want to pick a fight or something. But I think your words stand well enough on their own without anyone playing devil's advocate even.

Not trying to pick a fight, but I do think that to criticize Sheehan for using an emotional appeal is a bit obvious. Of course it's an emotional appeal. But it was an emotional appeal that actually accomplished (IMO, as always) some good things.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I based my suspicion on common sense and experience. I've seen this play a thousand times before.

No offense but this is the sort of reply that would get a troofer his or her hide torn off in the conspiracy forum.
Neither of these things you listed offer direct evidence of your claim and if you do a bit of research, you'll find that your common sense and experience have both failed you here as your accusation was completely erroneous.

Sometimes it's best to keep baseless claims to yourself rather than impugn someone based on your intuition.

 

[mr rosewater]

Didn't she go and kiss Chavez's ring.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I would suggest you wait until you have lost a child of your own before uttering this kind of sanctimonious crap.

It may make you feel good to utter such banal moralizing; it sure doesn't address any real issue.

She's not the only mother who lost a son, but I note that she chose to play a certain role, and certain card, and if you bother to note, her marriage ended up in tatters. She chose to use her son's death as a political wedge, while dishonoring him. I followed her journey rather closely. No crap, she hurt, she hurt bad. So too does every parent who has lost a kid. The rest of them don't seem to have turned into caricatures of themselves in the process.

Thanks, while I am at it, Gurdur, this nastly little war has cost me a couple of friends.

Better yet, piss off.

DR

 

[corplinx]

Didn't she go and kiss Chavez's ring.

To fault her for visiting Chavez, you have to assume she knows enough to know why this might discredit her. Once again, I think there was some "Being There" going on and you shouldn't take it too seriously.

 

[Tricky]

She chose to use her son's death as a political wedge, while dishonoring him.

I don't think she dishonored him at all. She probably disagreed with him, but that hardly dishonors someone. Even if she were correct in her statement that he "died for nothing" (which I don't agree with, but I do believe he died needlessly), that does not mean he died without honor. Did she or anyone suggest he was a crappy soldier or a coward or a traitor?

I hope there is no dishonor in disagreeing with your relatives, even publicly, because if so, I've dishonored mine many times.

 

[mr rosewater]

To fault her for visiting Chavez, you have to assume she knows enough to know why this might discredit her. Once again, I think there was some "Being There" going on and you shouldn't take it too seriously.

Peter Sellers was great in that movie.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I don't think she dishonored him at all. She probably disagreed with him, but that hardly dishonors someone. Even if she were correct in her statement that he "died for nothing" (which I don't agree with, but I do believe he died needlessly), that does not mean he died without honor. Did she or anyone suggest he was a crappy soldier or a coward or a traitor?

I hope there is no dishonor in disagreeing with your relatives, even publicly, because if so, I've dishonored mine many times.

He chose to serve. She not only did not respect his choice, she went over the top in her ranting about it, and the fact that his decision to stay in kept him in long enough to end up where hot lead flew, and sadly, hit him.

I followed her public statements with keen interest, since a lot of anti war folks seemed to rally to her over the top approach. Her appeal had no integrity, for all that I do not doubt for a second that her grief was genuine. She damaged the anti war effort by being so visible, so usable, so willing to be used, and so willing to say anything, however irrational, however inane, however simply wrong, to lash out at whoever.

Note the difference in how the Tillman family handled their grief.

Sorry, that woman has more issues than National Geographic, and she, by her actions, smeared here son's good name.

DR

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

No offense but this is the sort of reply that would get a troofer his or her hide torn off in the conspiracy forum.
Neither of these things you listed offer direct evidence of your claim and if you do a bit of research, you'll find that your common sense and experience have both failed you here as your accusation was completely erroneous.

Sometimes it's best to keep baseless claims to yourself rather than impugn someone based on your intuition.

Wow, sounds like I've dared question the motives of your sacred cow!

Trust me. The gravy train left town and the freeloader didn't have a ticket.

Your claims to the contrary are erroneous.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Didn't she go and kiss Chavez's ring.

I wonder how much money he gave her?

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I guess she must be rolling in dough by now? Or did she squander it all on take out and gold ingots (or something), TCS?

edit: oh wait you just claimed she was angling for a free ride. My mistake I apologize.