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Wow. Pdoh answers to why he thinks WTC7 was demolished:

I believe the motive was to get it out of the way so that firefighters could return to the pile and rescue their comrades.

If you are suggesting that the firemen would just wait for it to collapse then you are accusing them of not caring about the victims under the pile. Thats despicable.

I have video of angry firemen demanding to be allowed onto the pile.
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Just.. what?

ETA: And that will be the end of my pdoh commentary. No more advertising for him :)
 
Dylan Avery:
It's only a matter of time before Mark sends Richard and his associates an open letter.

I'd love to be in the offices of someone like Danny Jowenko when they get an e-mail from a nobody in NYC telling them they're wrong about their +20 years of experience.
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Is this the same Dylan Avery who says that PM's 300 experts and the folks at NIST and Implosion World are all wrong?
 
Wrong about what. Its not like Jowenko actually did any research or science on the matter. He has published no paper. The man looked at a video and said "That looks like a controlled demolition". Any comment on Jowenko's opinion on what he saw, is not an argument on his experience. Is Dylan really that dumb, or is he just playing dumb?

TAM:)
 
And as a reply to criticism towards me at LCF, I didn't say Jim Hoffman's articles are useless just because he is a computer engineer. I said, on the front page they link to 5 technical articles, two of which are by Jim Hoffman, a computer engineer, and one by Griffin, a theologian.

I just say, if you are an architect and start a group called architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, you could maybe link to technical articles by architects and engineers (as in engineers that have something to do with buildings). If the title said only "articles", all those 5 would be fine. But recycling the same old articles in a new package is just useless. What new does his site offer? Nothing. Blah. I don't even know why I bothered to write this :rolleyes:
 
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What new does his site offer?
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It lets the truthers say they have an organization of architects and engineers supporting their claims, just like the "Journal of 9/11 Studies" let them claim they had peer-reviewed articles published in a journal.
 
Intelligent Design proponents have their own 'Institute'.

Does that validate their beliefs?

Nah uh.
 
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It lets the truthers say they have an organization of architects and engineers supporting their claims, just like the "Journal of 9/11 Studies" let them claim they had peer-reviewed articles published in a journal.
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Oh yeah. Next they'll build a site around Jowenko, naming it "demolition experts for 9/11 truth" aka de911t.org. In that site, they'll recycle the same claims that Gage did now. All their controlled demolition characteristics they always use.

Like I said, new package, same old content. I fail to see the importance of this effort. Other than the possibility to say, that they have architects and engineers on their side now. But look what these architects are saying..

Yippee! 1000th post. It wasn't a complete waste after all, I guess :p
 
by iamtruth
We are currently deciding how we want to deal with so-called "debunkers" and the like.

What is here today may not be here tomorrow.

Just an FYI.

Until then, I suggest those who may get irritated to take an "Illegitimi non carborundum" viewpoint and stance.
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Sounds like "Loose Change Forum III". Brace yourself guys, we're being considered. How about you deal with us by convincing us with evidence, facts and logic? (I mean, since you are <ahem> "scientists"). Now isn't that a whimsically novel (and hitherto unused) idea?
 
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Architects (licensed)

 Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Don Gibbons, Architect
Pleasant Hill, CA

Jeff Arnold, Architect
Orinda, CA

John Cole, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

David Crawford, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Haluk Akol, Architect & Structural Engineer
Lafayette, CA

John Eisenhart, Architect
San Diego, CA

Joe Bellows, Architect
Martinez, CA

John Howland, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Eric Douglas, Architect
Howard Beach, NY

Peter Hendrickson, Architect
Santa Rosa, CA

Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
New York, NY

Lily Livingston, Architect
Oakland, CA

Chris Swigert, Architect
Oakland, CA

Jim Bedinghaus, Architect
St. Petersburg, Florida



Architectural Professionals (unlicensed)

Scott Page, M. Arch / Designer
Berkeley, CA


Jeffrey Tam, Architectural Professional
Oakland, CA

Oscar Cisnero, Architectural Professional
Antioch, CA

Elwin Wong, Architectural Professional
Oakland, CA

Henri Tso, Architectural Professional
Walnut Creek, CA

Arthur Stopes, Planner
Berkeley, CA

Ken Huthcinson, Architectural Professional
Eugene, OR

Jan Leits, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Michael Reuter, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Chris Jung, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Tim Clark, Architectural Professional
Albany, CA

Jason Wilkinson, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA


Wendy Sitler, Designer
Berkeley, CA

Dominique Roddier, phD, Naval Architect
Berkeley, CA





Karlene Gullone, Architectural Professional
San Francisco, CA



Dave Heller, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA


Kurt Worthington, Urban Planner
San Francisco, CA

Engineering Professionals (unlicensed)

 Gregg Brazel, BSCNE, Constr. Engr'g
Evanston, IL

Ted Muga, BSCE, Civil Engineer
San Diego, CA

Kevin Ryan, BS Chem., Certified Quality Engineer
Bloomington, IN

Ken Jenkins, BS Carnegie Melon, Electrical Engineer
San Rafael, CA


John Shinn, phD., Chemical Engineer
Pleasant Hill, CA David Gregg, phD, Chemical Engineer
Moraga, CA John Rexroat, Mfr. Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA Tony Szamboti, BS, Mechanical Engineering Professional
, Doug Plumb, EE, Elecrical Engineering Professional
Thunder Bay, ON Christopher Backus, BS, Mechanical Engineering
Redmond, WA Jason Griffin, BS, Civil Engineer
Washington Dc,

Engineers (licensed)

Ken Kious, Electrical Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA

J. Marx Ayres, PE, Mechanical Engineer
Santa Monica, CA

Robert Nielson, PLS, Land Surveyor
Walnut Creek, CA

John F. Shanahan, PE, Electrical Engineer
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
 
Engineers (licensed)

Ken Kious, Electrical Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA

J. Marx Ayres, PE, Mechanical Engineer
Santa Monica, CA

Robert Nielson, PLS, Land Surveyor
Walnut Creek, CA

John F. Shanahan, PE, Electrical Engineer
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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All that hype and no structural engineers.
 
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