So what's this War about anyway?

[Oliver]

Yes the U.S. has a history, but not under one leader, Saddam is directly responsibly for two wars with his neighbors, yes!

Really? Take Clinton, for example:

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

 

[Ziggurat]

And if the White House and the CIA don't like each other: We wouldn't be in Iraq, remember?

Uh, NO. The CIA was saying the same thing pre-invasion that they were saying before Bush ever became president. You really don't know what you're talking about, and it shows.

CIA "Pull off": No, it would require a small group of people and only some patriotic reasons for -lets say- national security. The National security always works to do and hide all kind of nasty things.

No, it would take a lot more than that, and you're bordering on paranoid delusions if you honestly think otherwise. Among other things, let's say you WANTED Bush to seize dictatorial powers: how the hell would you even know that he WOULD do that? And if you don't have the cooperation of a vast network within the CIA, how can you be sure you won't actually be caught afterwards? None of these paranoid speculations make any sense.

Nazis: So? What are the political opponents in your system? If 2 parties agree on a terrorist issue, there is no need at all to kill someone to pass things like the Patriot act -literally- over night.

Catch my drift?

Yeah, I catch your drift: you've drifted off the deep end. It's nice that you want to educate yourself about American politics, Oliver, but you're currently clueless.

 

[Ion]

Please let me know when we invade Canada, and Mexico.

Don't ask me.

I wouldn't invade.

Ask Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Gonzales, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, McCain, Pell.

All these U.S. Fascists.



By the way, in Plan of Attack by Woodward, Canada and Mexico are quoted as considering Bush's evidence for war against Iraq as being lame.
Canada and Mexico disapprove of Bush's war in Iraq and didn't join Bush.
So, it's not a matter of faulty intelligence by Bush because he had at least the intelligence that Canada and Mexico had.
It's a matter of Fascism by Bush.

Why can't U.S. live harmoniously with the rest of the world, like -say- Sweden?

 

[Oliver]

Really? Take Clinton, for example:

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

ETA: Now THAT would make Saddam look like a crazy MoFu if it was his history record, wouldn't it???

 

[Ziggurat]

How come your war is screwed up from the beginning?

Shouldn't you go to jail?

Good job! I knew you could do it, my intellectual pygmy. You branched out to something new, you avoided repeating "toilet" yet again, and you didn't even mention Israel! Why, at this rate, you might be able to deliver a witty insult in... oh, who am I kidding. There's no hope of that ever happening. But I don't want you to give up, you should be proud of what you've been able to accomplish so far. Given time and effort, you should be able to at least manage multiple coherent sentences - just stick to the single-sentence replies for now, I don't want you injuring your brain by trying something hard before you're ready.

 

[Pardalis]

ETA: Now THAT would make Saddam look like a crazy MoFu if it was his history record, wouldn't it???

Most of your examples are NATO peace keeping operations.

And I personally don't see anything wrong with bombing terrorist training camps.

 

[Tricky]

Good job! I knew you could do it, my intellectual pygmy.

You've drifted off the deep end.

Let me enlighten you, oh ignorant one.

Ziggy, you're doing it again. You're a smart guy, so you don't need insults to make your point. And please, no whining, "But they started it".

The points you make are diminished by your arrogance. And you know better.

 

[mr rosewater]

Really? Take Clinton, for example:

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

That Clinton really was the worst, but wait what war did he start?

 

[Ion]

Good job! I knew you could do it, my intellectual pygmy...

Why are you losing in Iraq since 2003, Ziggulina?

 

[Oliver]

Uh, NO. The CIA was saying the same thing pre-invasion that they were saying before Bush ever became president. You really don't know what you're talking about, and it shows.

No, it would take a lot more than that, and you're bordering on paranoid delusions if you honestly think otherwise. Among other things, let's say you WANTED Bush to seize dictatorial powers: how the hell would you even know that he WOULD do that? And if you don't have the cooperation of a vast network within the CIA, how can you be sure you won't actually be caught afterwards? None of these paranoid speculations make any sense.

Yeah, I catch your drift: you've drifted off the deep end. It's nice that you want to educate yourself about American politics, Oliver, but you're currently clueless.

Okay, I see it makes no sense to argue this back and forth - even if I really believe you would think more skeptical if you weren't a US citizen.

Why is the US in Iraq and when will someone do something about the 9/11 financiers themselves? They classified this information if you read about it.

And no: I would be paranoid if I would believe all this stuff about Nazi-like "regime overthrow". But since Iraq, I prefer to be cautious - also because history.

 

[Pardalis]

Why is the US in Iraq and when will someone do something about the 9/11 financiers themselves?

Oliver, you're the one who keeps linking Iraq and 9/11 together. Nobody thinks Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Enough already.

They classified this information if you read about it.

Yes, it's classified, why shouldn't it be?

 

[Ziggurat]

Ziggy, you're doing it again. You're a smart guy, so you don't need insults to make your point. And please, no whining, "But they started it".

The points you make are diminished by your arrogance. And you know better.

There is only one person on this entire message board who has ever hurled antisemitic insults at me, and that is Ion. I am well past trying to prove my point in a debate with him. My point IS to insult, because quite frankly, that's all Ion deserves from me. You're quite free to ignore the exchange, and if a moderator decides to delete the exchange that's fine too. But I'm not about to feel sorry for the way I've treated Ion. I've been overly rude to other people and regretted it, but not him.

 

[Oliver]

Most of your examples are NATO peace keeping operations.

And I personally don't see anything wrong with bombing terrorist training camps.

...the "alleged" Terrorist Camps and like the bombed Aspirin Factory:
You would see what's wrong with that if the relatives of the Aspirin Factory victims would fly a Plane in a Skyscraper in revenge. I'm pretty sure you would be the first one who would whine about it and ask "Why?".

 

[Ion]

Oliver, you're the one who keeps linking Iraq and 9/11 together. Nobody thinks Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Enough already.
...

Really?

Because Cheney keeps on saying that Iraq and 9/11 are the same.

In the third Presidential Debate of 2004, Bush also said that Iraq and 9/11 are the same.

I watched it.

 

[Oliver]

Oliver, you're the one who keeps linking Iraq and 9/11 together. Nobody thinks Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Enough already.

Yes, it's classified, why shouldn't it be?

That's not true. Everyone thought so for some ignorant reasons like stupid sympathy after 9/11. And if it wasn't classified, someone would ask "So why doesn't someone ask the Saudis then?".

You might like see this critical Canadian Docu about the Backgrounds:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9169904580025714112&q=9/11+estate

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I AGREE

 

[Ion]

There is only one person on this entire message board who has ever hurled antisemitic insults at me, and that is Ion.
...

Fishing for victimhood, Ziggulina?

You forgot to say that I am responsible for the Holocaust.

Quote antisemitic insults by me.

There aren't.

Anti-Israel expansionism beyond U.N. borders and anti-Israel reign on U.S. politics on one hand, and antisemitism on the other hand, these are two different things.

But go ahead, say that I made the Holocaust.

You are a whiner who starts the war in Iraq and now when that is not working well for you, you are fishing for victimhood ("Momaa! Iraqis are fighting back! Ion is mean!") and for affirmative action.

 

[Oliver]

Fishing for victimhood, Ziggulina?

You forgot to say that I am responsible for the Holocaust.

Quote antisemitic insults by me.

There aren't.

No, no - " the guy responsible for the Holocaust at JREF™ " is me.

 

[Ziggurat]

Why is the US in Iraq

I can't really improve on Steven DenBeste:
Who our enemy is and what it takes to win.

 

[Ion]

I can't really improve on Steven DenBeste:
Who our enemy is and what it takes to win.

I think our enemy in U.S. is you Ziggy and your Fascism.

 

[Ion]

No, no - " the guy responsible for the Holocaust at JREF™ " is me.

You are?

See Zuggy?

It's not me.

I told you Zuggy:

I didn't do the Holocaust.

I swear I didn't.