Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[RayG]

Of course we could just be handed our hat and coat if only someone could address the point of my sig... *crickets*

It's been so long I had completely forgotten you brought that up.

Still no bigfoot though.

RayG

 

[Belz...]

Say, Lu. You haven't answered my question about UFOs.

 

[LTC8K6]

Why doesn't bigfoot, despite sinking his big feet deep into the soil, ever seem to drag his toes?

As Correa shows in the photos above, when your foot sinks in deep, you tend to drag your toes once in a while.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

That's supposed to look like this?

Mud suction artifacts.

Easy to duplicate..

It is really sad that a fingerprint expert claims otherwise ..

 

[tube]

Yeah, the texture on the "Elkins" cast looks like what Wolftrax has come up with...

Something that I think has been overlooked in promoting the "Elkins" cast as strong evidence of Bigfoot is the context of the track find, specifically the nature of the individual who brought it to the attention of the sheriff's department. For the full story, go to the Georgia Bigfoot site here:

http://www.georgiabigfoot.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=29

Here is one of the relevant passages:

"The story of this cast begins earlier in the 90's, at the home of a gentleman whom like Dr. Krantz is now deceased. For the sake of this article and for the privacy of his family he shall be referred to as Mr. “W”. I first learned of Mr. “W” and his experiences from James Akin, the man who would go on to cast what has come to be known as the Elkins Creek Cast."

“Mr. W was considered a nuisance caller at the Sheriff’s office”, writes Akin. “He often called and reported someone hitting the side of his mobile home. He related that person(s) unknown were 'F---ing with him' and would come on various nights after midnight and annoy him and his menagerie of canines. His complaints and this activity were legend and these events had occurred for several years. The general problem with this scenario was the responding officers' inability to stop the activity or catch the perpetrators. It seemed almost magical the way the activity would cease on police arrival and restart within an hour of departure.” Mr. Akin goes on to write, “In general, the activity was described as a pounding by some heavy force on the side of his home, the constant harassment of his dogs (including the killing of several canines), the constant (and voluminous) theft of dog food and other food stuffs from his premises, and the harsh growls and whispered sounds in proximity to his current physical location within the confines of the home. To 'Mr. W' it was maddening. He questioned his sanity and stated on several occasions that he must be 'losing it' or that he couldn’t 'stand it anymore.'” I asked Mr. Akin, who at that time worked for the Sheriff's department, how he personally came into contact with Mr. “W”.

“My initial contact with this gentleman concerned these disturbances. I was informed that this guy might be a problem. Others claimed that he was probably mental ill and that I should be prepared for his antics. However, I was never informed about the entire scope of the situation. They generally figured someone was prowling around and 'goofing' on the old man.”

So the guy was considered a "nuisance caller at the Sheriff’s office" and "Others claimed that he was probably mental ill". Not such a good back-story for what is considered a cornerstone of solid Bigfoot evidence...

 

[LAL]

If they hadn't consider him a nuisance, they might have gotten more casts.

Since these animals don't exist, they can't raid farms, therefore the farmer must be a nuisance caller or mentally ill.

There's another one of those arguments, perfectly circular, without a flaw in it anywhere.

So, instead of "dessication ridges" we have mud sucking?

Funny, I haven't seen the characteristics in any of the photos of test casts.

(Before Jimmy Chilcutt calls a ridge a dermal ridge, it has to have the characteristics.)

 

[the evilist serene]

Why doesn't bigfoot, despite sinking his big feet deep into the soil, ever seem to drag his toes?

Or dance. I mean, where's the Charleston flipprints, the Hustle shuffledrag, the Locomotion traintracks in the case of the threesomes and foursomes??

Or exercise. The squatches are always in pretty trim shape. Jumping jack prints?? Push-up points?? Finger prints just fore of toe prints caused during toe touches?? Crunch furrows??

And like, you know ... the SNOW ANGELS. I mean, if we believe in GOD and we believe in SASQUATCH, isn't it just common logic that Sasquatch would believe in god and partake in that childlike worship to the angels and feel-good fun by partaking in little snow angel moments in the snow. Wow ... I'm gonna go look for that print.

Why is it these poor guys and gals are always just trudging forward at a constant pace like they gotta go to work all the time??

 

[Skeptical Greg]

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(Before Jimmy Chilcutt calls a ridge a dermal ridge, it has to have the characteristics.)

Like these ?

 

[Belz...]

Say, Lu. You haven't answered my question about UFOs.

Lal, I'm assuming you know what point I'm going to make with this, but still, would you mind ?

 

[Kenny 10 Bellys]

Half of the photos here look like they were taken from Google Earth! Speaking of photos, how about a photo of a family of Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) being captured, that would certainly clear up a lot, wouldn't you say? It would make a change from bogging yourselves deeper and deeper into minutiae on the underside of plastercasts of mud. Down that path lies madness.

 

[Correa Neto]

Why doesn't bigfoot, despite sinking his big feet deep into the soil, ever seem to drag his toes?

Well, when trying to make deep impressions with rigid fake feet you will just press them flat and firm against the soil. No rotation. Remember that pressing firmly and steadily usually works better than stomping. You can try it with your own feet with or without boots.

Note that you can use the fake feet attached to your own feet or just press them with your hands or knees. In the last case, you can easilly create giant inhuman strides. Researchers and enthusiasts will (sometimes decades) later point at the stride as "evidence" for a giant bipedal ape. Your own prints, made while you produced the bigfootprints? Simple, they are yours indeed, made while studying the track line, casting, etc. You can even play with track overprinting!

Got caught at a point? Never mind, you were just trying to "spice things up" so interest would not fade away. You may even find some bigfoot enthusiasts will back you, since you provided bonna fide evidence before, hadn't you?

 

[LTC8K6]

Mud suction artifacts.

Easy to duplicate..

It is really sad that a fingerprint expert claims otherwise ..

Yep, obvious.

Chilcutt must never even have considered how what he saw could be anything other than dermal ridges. Just a few simple experiments would have kept him from this foolishness.

 

[LTC8K6]

Or dance. I mean, where's the Charleston flipprints, the Hustle shuffledrag, the Locomotion traintracks in the case of the threesomes and foursomes??

Or exercise. The squatches are always in pretty trim shape. Jumping jack prints?? Push-up points?? Finger prints just fore of toe prints caused during toe touches?? Crunch furrows??

Yes, I've brought this up before.

Where are the groups of tracks we should see from any number of ordinary daily events in the life of a biped like standing around and goofing off, or stopping to look at something, or running, or making a sharp turn, or sitting down and digging your toes in the dirt, etc.

Poor foot seems to lead quite a boring life of dropping in out of nowhere, and walking to nowhere.

He never seems to stop and smell the flowers, or take in the view, or contemplate his navel or anything.

Don't they ever stand around together and shoot the breeze in the afternoon?

Don't they ever fight over anything?

Once, a foot apparently squatted and watched Roger and Bob reload their camera according to one version of events.

Sadly, no actual record, cast, or photo was made of the apparently rare event and set of tracks from a bigfoot squatting. This despite the fact that cameras and casting materials were in good supply in the area at the time.

Much later though, a lot of effort, time, money, and material would be wasted casting an elk lay and trying to claim it was a bigfoot lay.

Strange priorities...

 

[Correa Neto]

Wait, wait!

You are forgetting about the "anatomically correct" female buttprint!

 

[LTC8K6]

Patty "droopy" Sasquatch wouldn't make much of a butt print, would she?

 

[Correa Neto]

Patty "droopy" Sasquatch wouldn't make much of a butt print, would she?

Oh, but (pun intended) there are explanations for this!

You know, Patty was storing extra fat for the winter, just gave birth, was pregnant, etc. These are the footer "theories".

 

[LAL]

Yep, obvious.

Chilcutt must never even have considered how what he saw could be anything other than dermal ridges. Just a few simple experiments would have kept him from this foolishness.

I know LTK has me filtered, but I can't let this pass. It was assumed there are artifacts on OM, so experiments were done in Jeff Meldrum's lab. What got Chilcutt's attention was the characteristics he observed on several casts.

It's amazing how Bill can read minds. I don't have that ability, so I ask questions.

 

[LAL]

Lal, I'm assuming you know what point I'm going to make with this, but still, would you mind ?

I seem to have missed your question about UFOs and I don't have time to go back through the posts. Would you mind repeating it?

 

[LAL]

Lu, I'm sure you'd agree it's not egocentric to be skeptical of 8ft bipedal giants eluding us across the world and the centuries.

There aer reports going back centuries, but not searches, that I know of, and 8' bipedal giants aren't being reported all over the world.

Is there some reason people in Sumatra would hallucinate short hairy bipeds?

 

[kitakaze]

kitakaze posts link to Craig Woolheater's post of Benjamin Radford's review of Jeff Meldrum's book in which Radford refers himself in the third person. Good review, I'm looking forward to tube's. Of course I gave Craig another post to delete. George is getting angry.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-lms-review1/

First post, stunning believer logic:

Bob Michaels responds:
May 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Either you are a believer or a doubter. I am in the first camp, so prove that Bigfoot does not exist.

Last post (when I read it), boring skeptic logic:

proriter responds:
May 20th, 2007 at 8:15 am
It appears to me that Mr. Radford isn’t attacking the existence of a Sasquatch as much as he is the nature of the evidence that’s been offered in support of it. The truth is that such evidence just doesn’t hold up by scientific standards. If a demonstrable Sasquatch carcass were to turn up, I’m sure Mr. Radford would be among the first to say “Well, I was wrong!” As it is, however, despite the films and casts and anecdotal accounts, etc., nothing exists that moves Sasquatch out of the realm of folklore — a field that’s worthy of study on its own merits. And as is the case with UFO studies and other endeavors, it seems to me that the unqualified will (or need) to believe in a literal, physical Sasquatch says more about the believer than it does about the phenomenon itself.