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10 month old issued gun permit

Irony said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6662213.stm


I could put a few dozen puns here, but I'll control myself for fear of flying tomatoes.:duck:
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The law is a ass, sometimes, per Dickens, but I think this is great. The kid's dad is looking after him responsibly.
Mr Ludwig said Bubba's gun would likely remain at his grandfather's house until he was 14.

"I'm not about to approve any unsupervised hunting or trap shooting for Bubba," he wrote in the Chicago daily.

"Still, I'm glad he was able to get his FOID card. It makes an adorable addition to his baby book."
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DR
 
The headlines are written so as to imply that some unthinking bureaucrat went to the house and put put a pistol in the crib alongside the baby. It's about as accurate as saying that the issuance of a social security card means the baby will be entitled to draw benefits.
 
So what's the problem. Are there some people would prefer to let the 10 month old violate the law and own the without getting the permit?
 
That's odd, because Illinois does not issue gun permits. It issues an FOID card, not the same thing. And you must be 18 to buy ammunition or rifles or shotguns, 21 to buy a handgun.
 
The application in question, btw, is here. Note this is NOT an online application as the article implies, you need to send it in the mail. You cannot apply online.
 
Talk about law abiding citizens making sure that their family heirloom is owned by the descendent they want it owned by, and the state rightfully allowing it.
 
The obvious fact that this whole article is so misleading amazes me -- well, maybe I'm amazed too easily. Anyway, do you think for a moment there would be such headlines had the item been an antique car instead of a shotgun? After all, how many more people are killed in auto accidents by people not legally allowed behind the wheel (e.g.; drunk) as opposed to those toting guns?
 
If I see a ten-month old on a plane with a gun, I'll kill him!

(Surprised nobody jumped on this right from the get-go...)
 
WildCat said:
That's odd, because Illinois does not issue gun permits. It issues an FOID card, not the same thing. And you must be 18 to buy ammunition or rifles or shotguns, 21 to buy a handgun.
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Excuse my ignorance.

What is a FOID card?

Without one could he own the gun ?

If he had the gun in his possession could he be prosecuted a) with and b) without a card ?

Could he be given ammunition before 18 ?
 
Lothian said:
Excuse my ignorance.

What is a FOID card?
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Firearms Owners Identification cardd.

Without one could he own the gun ?
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Not legally in Illinois.

If he had the gun in his possession could he be prosecuted a) with and b) without a card ?
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a) In certain municipalities he could if the type of gun violated that municipalities rules, and/or if it is not properly broken down and otherwise made inaccessible. For example, handguns are banned in Chicago and several other cities regardless of whether or not you have an FOID card. There is no concealed carry in Illinois, nor open carry that I'm aware of though this may vary from town to town.

b) always, unless (I think) you're not a resident of Illinois.

Could he be given ammunition before 18 ?
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He couldn't buy it, nor possess it if not accompanied by an adult with a valid FOID card.

But I'm not a lawyer so take what I say with a heavy grain of salt.

eta: I notice that there is no longer the requirement to have your FOID application notarized, it used to be so a few years ago. Also LOL at the "banned" tag from the forum! And now "tag" has been tagged!
 
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WildCat said:
Firearms Owners Identification cardd.


Not legally in Illinois.


a) In certain municipalities he could if the type of gun violated that municipalities rules, and/or if it is not properly broken down and otherwise made inaccessible. For example, handguns are banned in Chicago and several other cities regardless of whether or not you have an FOID card. There is no concealed carry in Illinois, nor open carry that I'm aware of though this may vary from town to town.

b) always, unless (I think) you're not a resident of Illinois.


He couldn't buy it, nor possess it if not accompanied by an adult with a valid FOID card.

But I'm not a lawyer so take what I say with a heavy grain of salt.

eta: I notice that there is no longer the requirement to have your FOID application notarized, it used to be so a few years ago. Also LOL at the "banned" tag from the forum! And now "tag" has been tagged!
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So basically this card lets him (at any age) carry the gun in places where the gun is allowed to be carried but he can’t have any ammunition unless accompanied by an adult.

So basically this is saying that he is allowed to own the heirloom but can’t use it without supervision. What is the story ?
 
Lothian said:
So basically this card lets him (at any age) carry the gun in places where the gun is allowed to be carried but he can’t have any ammunition unless accompanied by an adult.
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No, it is my understanding an adult with a valid FOID card must be with the minor if he has a gun, not just ammunition.

So basically this is saying that he is allowed to own the heirloom but can’t use it without supervision. What is the story ?
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Just an attempt to drum up hysteria I think. I don't remember if it was the Sun-Times for certain, but years ago (the 1980's IIRC) a Chicago paper did a story where they applied for an FOID card in the name of famous dead gangsters like John Dillinger, Al Capone, etc and were shocked shocked shocked that the card was issued! The fact that the card applicants couldn't possibly have been the long-dead gangsters in question didn't seem to matter to the newspaper. Yellow journalism is still acceptable if it's for a proper PC cause I guess.
 
WildCat said:
Just an attempt to drum up hysteria I think. I don't remember if it was the Sun-Times for certain, but years ago (the 1980's IIRC) a Chicago paper did a story where they applied for an FOID card in the name of famous dead gangsters like John Dillinger, Al Capone, etc and were shocked shocked shocked that the card was issued! The fact that the card applicants couldn't possibly have been the long-dead gangsters in question didn't seem to matter to the newspaper. Yellow journalism is still acceptable if it's for a proper PC cause I guess.
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I'd be interested to know more about that. Obviously, Dillinger and Capone were dead. So, were the applicants required to submit proof of identity, showing their names were indeed John Dillinger and Al Capone?

If yes, then where's the problem?

If no, I think the problem is pretty obvious and the paper did a public service. Nobody here would confuse me with a member of the The Brady Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence, but even I have a problem with people being able to obtain firearms under phony names.
 
BPSCG said:
I'd be interested to know more about that. Obviously, Dillinger and Capone were dead. So, were the applicants required to submit proof of identity, showing their names were indeed John Dillinger and Al Capone?
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Like I said, it was a very long time ago and I don't remember the details. It was just an aside, I'm not going to head to the library and search through the microfiche.

If no, I think the problem is pretty obvious and the paper did a public service. Nobody here would confuse me with a member of the The Brady Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence, but even I have a problem with people being able to obtain firearms under phony names.
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Used to be (until a few years ago) that you had to get a notary public verify your identity and stamp their seal on your application, maybe they faked the notary public seal? Or maybe they did use people with the same names, I don't know.

But the notary seal is no longer required, probably because there is a background check now I'm guessing. And I notice you have to put your drivers license # or state ID # on it as well.

eta: Just checked, and there are several Al Capones living in Illinois today, and a John Dillinger, so they may well have simply used people with the same names.
 
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BPSCG said:
. . . even I have a problem with people being able to obtain firearms under phony names.
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Could I walk into a gun shop with a FIOD that read "Al Capone", even though that's not my name, and purchase a gun? Obtaining the FOID is one thing, obtaining a firearm is something else.
 
I know what you're thinking. "Did he use up six diapers, or only five?"

Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is baby poop we're talking about, something that peels paint at 50 paces, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
 
NoZed Avenger said:
I know what you're thinking. "Did he use up six diapers, or only five?"

Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excrement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is baby poop we're talking about, something that peels paint at 50 paces, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
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I thought it needed the one change I bolded to make it more perfect... :p
 
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