SezMe
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edge, I'm going to be in your area next week. Check you PM.
Jackalgirl
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What's holding you up at this point?
EHocking
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Ah. Post 529: From what I can see for 12 watts going in,"as I believe is powering the dowsing rod" I get at least a quarter pound of force.
That's with a counter weight on a hanging scale.
So here he claims to have measured the force using a set of balances but is unable to reproduce this claim.
have I got this right, edge?
Paulhoff
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So how many tests must be done, that the people being tested are happy with the test conditions before the test, and then when they fail, again, they aren't happy with the test conditions and start pointing out the sillies reasons why they failed, how many? How many times do you have to ask them, how does it work, and they give all kinds of reasons not based on any know facts of nature? How come their rods only move when in someone’s hands, and never work on the ground, table, chair or anything else they are on?Assuming a conclusion before the test is even set up.
Magnets work very will without the need of a handler.
Paul
Assuming a conclusion before the test is even set up.
Yep. Is that some kind of problem? Every dowser that has ever been tested has failed. Edge himself has been tested and failed. Although he has applied again, he still does not appear to have any idea what he can actually do or how he could test it. Assuming anything other than that dowsing does not work would really just be silly. If someone can come up with some evidence that this conclusion is wrong, great. I'm not holding my breath.
Wrong.
I think it would have gone farther but scale was at it's limit.
It is reproducible any time.
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Wrong I know exactly what I can and cannot do and the reasons why.
It works very well when I’m mining and at that point you can visually see what it is your feeling because you are bringing it up.
After it's been clean, “the ground” there is a change in what I can feel, but always a speck or two remains. But it’s nothing like before.
There are many reasons for that.
It has to do with different layers of bottom.
For instance original bedrock being covered by “overburden,” creek rocks that actually get petrified and turn to cement, they are called conglomerates and are made of different size of rocks, and those deposits differ in size and thickness. Then blue clay can cover that, which is a false bottom that can also have metals deposited on it. There are 3 layers that can and have received gold and other metals. Then there can be multiple layering of the last two.
Three bottoms that can be holding but I can only penetrate to the first and hope to suck out the cracks in the second and never reach the third, but there are exceptions to that rule. Only bedrock is there, only conglomerate and bedrock, and then all three.
The best possible way is actually to test while mining but that's not perfect either.
Second best is to test on limestone I think.
The container test on that kind of bedrock.
Come mining then we'll talk.
Cause I have a test for you and me side-by-side ok?
Tricky
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That doesn't seem to be the case, because your methods keep changing and your reasons keep changing. If you knew exactly what you could do, you would have passed the challenge the first time, or you would have admitted you couldn't do it before you took the test.
This point has been covered many times. In an area where gold is present, an experienced prospector can usually find some amount of it. You claim you do better than others and it may even be true (though we have only your subjective opinion on this) but it could also be because you are a pretty good prospector. You have never shown us one single scrap of data that indicates that your dowsing helps you find gold.
This is a totally unverified claim. You would have to dig up and analyze thousands of cubic yards of soil and rock in order to verify this claim. Please understand, Edge, that we cannot believe what you "feel". We must see evidence. You have provided none.
This is not "petrification", Edge. Rocks are already "petrified" because they are already made of rock. You may be talking about cementation, but I fail to see how this has anything to do with dowsing for gold, unless you are arguing that they are cemented with gold. Geologically, you are speaking gibberish.
If you are claiming that you can dowse for rocks, then that's going to be a pretty hard one to prove in a natural environment. You have to find a place where there are no rocks of any size, including clay size.
Really? What are those three layers? What are they made of (something a little more specific than "blue clay" please.) Why only three? What makes them "receive" gold and other metals? I can see you have some experience with mineral veins, but your education is woefully inadequate for serious mining. My knowledge is also inadequate, since I'm a petroleum geologist, not a hard-rock geologist, but then, I don't claim to be able to find gold.
Would it suffice to do the test atop a thick layer of limestone? I think that could be accomplished. There are many such beds in many parts of the country. You could do it atop some of the karst topography or the limestone offshore shelf of Florida if you wanted to go visit Randi again.
Honestly, Edge, all you have to do is dowse an area so that you know where the natural attractions are, then put your strong-attracting targets in a place where you're not getting those "signals". You could even use the exact same location for every test and merely test whether you could detect whether or not a large target had been placed there.
It is so very very simple, a really stupid person could do it. Since you are not stupid, I can only assume that you are avoiding this simple procedure because you know you will fail and are looking for excuses not to take the test. I really wish you would join us in the real world. There are plenty of amazing things to discover, even without magic.
Skeptic Guy
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Edge started this thread on May 24th, 2006 so it's coming up on a year now. Still no test, no evidence, no anything... but lots of posts.
You mean to tell me that you don't know what conglomerate is?
Every one here knows what that is.
It is over burden that the water action has moved onto a bench or usually creek bottom it has sat there with gold and natural lead along with iron and platinum and hasn't move for thousands of years usually it's creation started in pre-diluvium (sp.) times.
The mud that is stuck holding the rock together has turned to a black cement and it's sat there so long that the rock has turned black if you crack one open you can then see it's original color. Some of it will retain its original color because of the sand blasting action but mostly it’s black, kind of like concert with aggregate in it.
The rock that's cemented together varies in size from pea gravel to boulders 8" or more and then there's the type that can have various sizes in it.
It is a hard bottom.
Bedrock can be any type, solid.
On all those bottoms sits the stuff that has washed down and is still lose.
Along with the newest placer gold that's broke free from one of the veins or those bottoms.
As Tricky said, you very obviously do not know what you can do because otherwise you would be able to test it. And you certainly don't know the reasons why, because you do not have any effect that needs a reason.
Show us the set-up and then, please, just do it.
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Yet a year later it has not been reproduced? Uh Huh....