Advanced mathematics encrypted in Stone-Age and ancient 'artwork'

Jiri said:
Very tempting, socialist realism, utopia, which existed only on paper as opposed to the oppresssive reality, all totally needless pure evil emanating from diabolical personalities like Stalin, or Trotzky, their pathological hatred of the idea of God, the tens of millions of wasted lives, millions of needlessly captured and killed Red Army soldiers - very bad..
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Socialist realism was just an example. I was expecting you'd come back with something more like the artist in ancient or "primitive" societies who is so integrated into the community that she feels no distance from others, and craft=art=spirituality=daily life--no distinctions. Not utopia, but free from alienation, somehow.

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Jiri said:
Then clad yourself in patience....
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I'm patient enough, and I certainly don't put you in the same boat with DJJ;
but I have to be frank--I looked at your website and was instantly bewildered where you got the very first lines you added to the monkey.

Plus, I wanted to see a picture zoomed back a little so I could see the wider context.

Until we could establish something basic like that for patzers like me, accuracy to the micron is completely spurious precision.

I think you are sane, intelligent, and good at manipulating pictures, and idealistic. All good things. You remind me of some of the young composers I used to "teach"--scare quotes because trying to teach a young composer anything is like herding a cat...

(you're probably older than I think. I'm guessing 30-35.)
 
Is it just me, or do the lines Jiri has drawn seem to have nothing to do with the ones in the actual picture?
 
calebprime said:
Socialist realism was just an example. I was expecting you'd come back with something more like the artist in ancient or "primitive" societies who is so integrated into the community that she feels no distance from others, and craft=art=spirituality=daily life--no distinctions. Not utopia, but free from alienation, somehow.
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Yeah, like the pioneer times without the Indians:) Very pastoral..

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I'm patient enough, and I certainly don't put you in the same boat with DJJ;
but I have to be frank--I looked at your website and was instantly bewildered where you got the very first lines you added to the monkey.
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Wait a minute Caleb, the very first lines I had added were drawn into the two lines of the Big-X. Its lines (the two longest in the glyph) form a visually exact 36 degree angle. So, the very first two lines kind of disappear in the black.
I am raking my mind for what it might have been, you find fancy. Especially the beginning of the monkey glyph's analysis is very elementary.

Plus, I wanted to see a picture zoomed back a little so I could see the wider context.
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I have yet to locate the monkey on the Google maps, in the other lines' context. I am certain that we have to view the other lines and glyphs in the context of the Cone & Square found on the glyph of the monkey.
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Until we could establish something basic like that for patzers like me, accuracy to the micron is completely spurious precision.
I think you are sane, intelligent, and good at manipulating pictures, and idealistic. All good things.
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Thank you for saying those good words about me. You would not say them, I presume, without seeing and agreeing at least some of the geometrical regularities I try to describe. After dealing with all the local native ill-will, it is a breath of fresh air, and a great surprise meeting someone like you. Such attitude comes with feelings of adequacy, achievement, and quiet confidence as opposed to alienation, or frustration.
Can I be quietly confident while alienated? :cool:

You remind me of some of the young composers I used to "teach"--scare quotes because trying to teach a young composer anything is like herding a cat...

(you're probably older than I think. I'm guessing 30-35.)
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You're right that you're wrong:p I'm older than that now. But, you may be older still.. Hmm, maybe not :boggled:
Having ideals is like good diet - it keeps you young.
 
Originally Posted by Jiri :
Plato and Atlantis is a very nice subject. After all, Plato speaks to us about the Americas, does he not?

Tirdun said:

No.
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Right, he speaks of the Americas' eastern continental coasts.
 
Jiri said:
Originally Posted by Jiri :
Plato and Atlantis is a very nice subject. After all, Plato speaks to us about the Americas, does he not?



Right, he speaks of the Americas' eastern continental coasts.
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I don't believe he did at all.
 
Rhind Papyrus - Applied Mathematics for Dummies and Gang Leaders

Ralph Greenberg said:
The main point that I will make in this essay is that when one takes into account what we know about ancient Egyptian mathematics (based primarily on the Rhind Papyrus), especially their ways of representing lengths and slopes, then the relationship between pi and the Great Pyramid no longer seems very remarkable. The essential point is that the measurement system which the ancient Egyptians used would lead the architects to use certain slopes in the design of pyramids. One of those slopes just happens to be an excellent approximation to the number 4/pi, and if the architect chooses that slope, then the pyramid would exhibit the famous pi relationship.
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Rhind Payrus was probably written as a lower level type of manual, a true to the word Applied Mathematics for Dummies and (work)Gang Leaders. We cannot judge Egyptian mathematics from it and by it.
The temples had their secret knowledge, which Greek initiates brought home to Greece.
The Golden Section and Pi ratio were no secret to Pythagoras, therefore they were no secret to his Egyptian professors.
Remember the claims the Egyptian priest made to Solon as quoted by Plato. The temple had been keeping scientific records since before the end of Atlantis, more than 9,000 years before Solon's time. It is significant that Plato's book is also about record keeping, as it is a compendium of various scientific facts and theories, as well as history. It is all evidently meant to be non-fiction in the eyes of Plato.
Some prism points:
Solon and his instructor are near the Mediterranean seashore, and the instructor priest specifies that this sea is a mere puddle in contrast to the great ocean beyond the Pillars of Hercules. In other words, there is absolutely no doubt that the ocean to Plato, Solon, and Egyptians means what it means to us.
The priest continues that this ocean seems surrounded by continents, and yes, across the ocean, there is a true continent, so vast that it surrounds the ocean from the other side.
Just one question: Was Plato, Solon, and the Egyptian temple right or wrong about this vast continent?
Of course, he was right. Remember, a lot of reputation was in stake here, as there was no question that Atlantic would be navigated one day in the future. How would we judge Plato and the rest of Timeus and Critias then, if there were no other continental mass out there? Plato definitely encourages exploratory voyages across the Atlantic ocean by promising them America. Would he wish to deceive the future sailors, and have them cursing his name? Columbus himself may have had found a measure of encouragement in Plato to make his big decision.
The Egyptian Temple as the guardian to the secrets of advanced prehistoric civilisation would also be the key to the simplest explanation of the existence of the Great Pyramid. It was possible to build it, because the Egyptian Temple had always known how to do it. Was not Imhotep the pyramid's architect at the same time the highest ranking priest of the temple in Egypt? For whoever is building the Great Pyramid must have great knowledge. There are techniques to master in using mechanical advantage methods and machines. There are advanced techniques for polishing large expanses of stone to optometrist's standards, techniques for manouvering enormous blocks in confined spaces, techniques for drilling enormous quantities of granite in short time, etc. Then there is the enormous logistical challenge, as Egypt's fate could easily be endangered by wasting its resources on the building.
 
I was reading this thread, and I thought to myself that I was getting the uncomfortable feeling I sometimes get when observing some modern art, i.e., I don't care what it is supposed to represent, there is no talent in the painting, only in the explanation. This always makes me feel like a philistine, even though I am convinced that I am right (Pollock may have had a unique way of splattering paint, but so would anyone who undertook the task of perfecting their paint-splattering).
As I was going into my kitchen for a refreshing beverage, I realized that my son had a drawing of his own on the refrigerator that may be relevant to this discussion. I couldn't rember what it looked like, other than being a general scribble, but I was sure that I could find meaning in it.

Damn if I didn't hit the jackpot! My son's scribble looked a lot like the Lorentz Attractor! I even pulled out my copy of Chaos to be sure. It isn't exact, but by Jiri's reasoning, my three year old son has a pretty advanced knowledge of math.
I have already purchased my ticket for the Gravy Train.
 
OK...

I didn't read the whole thread but appears the OP believes aliens created the pyramids or that type of woo?
 
Solus said:
OK...

I didn't read the whole thread but appears the OP believes aliens created the pyramids or that type of woo?
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And Plato wrote about his astral visit to NYC or some such rot. Someone's been off their meds.
 
Jiri said:
Rhind Payrus was probably written as a lower level type of manual, a true to the word Applied Mathematics for Dummies and (work)Gang Leaders. We cannot judge Egyptian mathematics from it and by it.
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If it's the only evidence of Egyptian maths then what else are we to use by which to judge it?

The temples had their secret knowledge, which Greek initiates brought home to Greece.
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Evidence?

The Golden Section and Pi ratio were no secret to Pythagoras, therefore they were no secret to his Egyptian professors.
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By that argument Relativity was well known to Einstein's professors, and the laws of Planetary motion to Kepler's. :rolleyes:

Are you really trying to suggest that nobody ever makes discoveries of their own? :eek:

Remember the claims the Egyptian priest made to Solon as quoted by Plato. The temple had been keeping scientific records since before the end of Atlantis, more than 9,000 years before Solon's time. It is significant that Plato's book is also about record keeping, as it is a compendium of various scientific facts and theories, as well as history. It is all evidently meant to be non-fiction in the eyes of Plato.
Some prism points:
Solon and his instructor are near the Mediterranean seashore, and the instructor priest specifies that this sea is a mere puddle in contrast to the great ocean beyond the Pillars of Hercules. In other words, there is absolutely no doubt that the ocean to Plato, Solon, and Egyptians means what it means to us.
The priest continues that this ocean seems surrounded by continents, and yes, across the ocean, there is a true continent, so vast that it surrounds the ocean from the other side.
Just one question: Was Plato, Solon, and the Egyptian temple right or wrong about this vast continent?
Of course, he was right. Remember, a lot of reputation was in stake here, as there was no question that Atlantic would be navigated one day in the future. How would we judge Plato and the rest of Timeus and Critias then, if there were no other continental mass out there? Plato definitely encourages exploratory voyages across the Atlantic ocean by promising them America. Would he wish to deceive the future sailors, and have them cursing his name? Columbus himself may have had found a measure of encouragement in Plato to make his big decision.
The Egyptian Temple as the guardian to the secrets of advanced prehistoric civilisation would also be the key to the simplest explanation of the existence of the Great Pyramid. It was possible to build it, because the Egyptian Temple had always known how to do it. Was not Imhotep the pyramid's architect at the same time the highest ranking priest of the temple in Egypt? For whoever is building the Great Pyramid must have great knowledge. There are techniques to master in using mechanical advantage methods and machines. There are advanced techniques for polishing large expanses of stone to optometrist's standards, techniques for manouvering enormous blocks in confined spaces, techniques for drilling enormous quantities of granite in short time, etc. Then there is the enormous logistical challenge, as Egypt's fate could easily be endangered by wasting its resources on the building.
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That entire screed is based on your interpretation of the motives of people who lived several thousand years ago, in cultures almost totally alien to all of us.

The Greek myths about Zeus, Athena, Perseus, Theseus, et al. were written as though they were fact. Were they?
 
wollery said:
If it's the only evidence of Egyptian maths then what else are we to use by which to judge it?

Evidence?
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That is what the Greeks said. Are you saying they lied?

By that argument Relativity was well known to Einstein's professors, and the laws of Planetary motion to Kepler's. :rolleyes:
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Both Einstein and his professors had comparable educations and mathematical knowledge. Same goes for Pythagoras and his Egyptian instructors.
Had Pythagoras invented the Section, he would have been free to cry Eureka and enjoy the prestige from it. He did nothing of the kind however, for the secret of the Section was entrusted him by the temple. That's the simplest explanation.

Are you really trying to suggest that nobody ever makes discoveries of their own? :eek:
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Strawman.

That entire screed is based on your interpretation of the motives of people who lived several thousand years ago, in cultures almost totally alien to all of us.

The Greek myths about Zeus, Athena, Perseus, Theseus, et al. were written as though they were fact. Were they?
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Plato, Aristoteles, or Pythagoras didn't write myths, they wrote and taught science. You cannot see the difference, but I can.:jaw-dropp
 
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What continent across the Atlantic did Plato write about?

What continent across the Atlantic did Plato write about?
How does he describe the geographic situation and is it true?
Why do we know Plato knew the difference between an ocean and a sea?
Why is the story of Atlantis in a scientific compendium written by Plato, and not in a fictional work like the Republic?
 
Jiri,

Have you read Plato's Timaeus? If you have do you still rank it as a scientific work?
Are its contents as useful to scentific discourse as anything published in scientific journals now?
What's your take on the Dimiurge?

BTW The Timaeus is the same sort of literature as the Republic, one of Plato's Dialogs. It contains substantiaaly more mythic content than the Republic.
 
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