*split* Lyte's proof that the Lloyd England's experience is false

twinstead said:
Wow. What a brilliant way to investigate. It appears that all he has to do is claim to have proved the plane flew to the north side, even though the vast majority of evidence and witnesses disagree, and bam! he doesn't have to listen to any more evidence or explain any anomalies or inconsistencies in his own theory. He wins by default.

Brilliant :boggled:
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Isn't it though!!

I notice also the incredible leap of logic that stipulates that a plane that flew along the north side of the Citgo could not produce the physical damage to the Pentagon. Seems to me that it would still be possible for a plane flying that route to hit the spot on the Pentagon wall that did get hit. It would be problematic that the shape of the interior damage was caused by an aircraft flying a trajectory that is more orthagonal to the wall than the official flight path. Perhaps that is what Lyte means.
 
jaydeehess said:
Lyte, how can you continue to expect anyone to believe that Robert, who knows the plane hit the Pentagon, could have the fireball occuring well before impact?

Why did you not ask anyone where they had thought the plane impacted, lower floors or upper floors?
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See posts 292 and 316 in this forum Lyte. You still have not addressed this point.

Let's get specific about questions you failed to ask your witnesses.
1) to Robert T. : You say the plane was 'obscured still' . What was obscuring your view of the plane's impact?
2) to Lagasse : You state that you saw the plane and jumped into your car to make the radio call. What did you see when you first looked out the window again after entering the car? Where was the plane then? (During this interview Lagasse would have his car parked where it was on 9/11/01 and get in the driver's seat and point out the window to where he saw the plane.)
3) to Brooks : We'd like to get an idea of how high up the plane was. Were you able to see the plane as it passed the Citgo station or was it below your sight line behind the Citgo roof?

I suspect Robert would have responded that the plane had gone down behind the highway, Lagasse would have stated that the plane was over the highway and that Brooks would state that he had the plane in sight all the way.

So, obviously if Robert's view was obscured by the highway the plane was headed not for the upper floors of the Pentagon but rather the lower floors and the fireball could not possibly have hidden a flyover since such an pull up would be impossible for even a fighter let alone a large passenger jet.

If Lagasse admits that he lost sight of the aircraft when he entered his vehicle it shows that he does not actually know where the plane passed by the station. I don't care how physically adept he is, one cannot reach for a car door, open the door, enter the car, reach for the radio ALL the while not taking one's eyes off a rapidly moving aircraft anywhere in the sky.

If Brooks states that he saw the plane all the way in one can calculate the lowest possible height that it could fly to the north side of the Citgo and still be visible by him. If this turns out to be much higher than the plane is understood to have been then he could only have seen the plane all the way if it did not fly on the opposite side of the Citgo from where he stood.
 
Remember that Merc (the other half of the CIT sooper duper investigative team) said this:

"Here is MY theory that I didn't want to put in the film. Theories are always seemingly picked out before the evidence that cause the theory in the first place.

The Five poles are removed at night through a phony late night road construction detail the week(s) or months prior to 9/11.

Then EARLY on the morning of 9/11 laid out poles 2-5 in the grass. Everyone drives by not noticing 4 poles laid out, inconspicuously, in the grass.

Then shortly before the entrance of our mystery flyover plane...
Perps drive large truck with pole and/or with cab on trailer(cab can also be on another car perhaps car 2 in the southbound lane) northbound throw crushed up glass out by the off ramp by pole 3, and go under bridge drive up on the south bound loop. (Variant: or there are two teams in cars that throw out glass and/or bulb housing debris. One car on northbound loop exit and one southbound lanes near pole 1 and eventual resting spot of the cab.)

Right after the plane flies over and explosion goes off...
Police(blue) get diverted from gas station, the truck/trailer perps stop on loop as if they are shocked. Taxi is unloaded off trailer(yellow) while all are staring at the Pentagon. Truck continues up on the on ramp drops pole 1(green) in the fast/middle southbound lane street on bridge and perhaps bulb/glass debris. Cab eases his way up on the highway with "damage". Our police officer was adamant when he said he was sure the cab was over near that overhead sign (the one the plane flew over), near the on ramp...not on the bridge.

As everyone is distracted, the cabbie pulls up to the final point, the faceless guys in the Saturn pull up and move the pole making the scratch in the asphalt, so they can park their car. And with the assistance of the faceless shirt and tie men in the fire dept Saturn he turns his cab sideways near the pole, giving the appearance that he is helping block traffic going soutbound. Then, perhaps the shirt and tie guys (instead the variant -car 2 sthbound lane) in the Saturn stand around and maybe even drop the glass, bulb pieces perhaps even the little pieces of leaves."
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Calcas said:
Remember that Merc (the other half of the CIT sooper duper investigative team) said this:

"Here is MY theory that I didn't want to put in the film. Theories are always seemingly picked out before the evidence that cause the theory in the first place.

The Five poles are removed at night through a phony late night road construction detail the week(s) or months prior to 9/11.

Then EARLY on the morning of 9/11 laid out poles 2-5 in the grass. Everyone drives by not noticing 4 poles laid out, inconspicuously, in the grass.

Then shortly before the entrance of our mystery flyover plane...
Perps drive large truck with pole and/or with cab on trailer(cab can also be on another car perhaps car 2 in the southbound lane) northbound throw crushed up glass out by the off ramp by pole 3, and go under bridge drive up on the south bound loop. (Variant: or there are two teams in cars that throw out glass and/or bulb housing debris. One car on northbound loop exit and one southbound lanes near pole 1 and eventual resting spot of the cab.)

Right after the plane flies over and explosion goes off...
Police(blue) get diverted from gas station, the truck/trailer perps stop on loop as if they are shocked. Taxi is unloaded off trailer(yellow) while all are staring at the Pentagon. Truck continues up on the on ramp drops pole 1(green) in the fast/middle southbound lane street on bridge and perhaps bulb/glass debris. Cab eases his way up on the highway with "damage". Our police officer was adamant when he said he was sure the cab was over near that overhead sign (the one the plane flew over), near the on ramp...not on the bridge.

As everyone is distracted, the cabbie pulls up to the final point, the faceless guys in the Saturn pull up and move the pole making the scratch in the asphalt, so they can park their car. And with the assistance of the faceless shirt and tie men in the fire dept Saturn he turns his cab sideways near the pole, giving the appearance that he is helping block traffic going soutbound. Then, perhaps the shirt and tie guys (instead the variant -car 2 sthbound lane) in the Saturn stand around and maybe even drop the glass, bulb pieces perhaps even the little pieces of leaves."
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My question remains: Have any of these guys actually Been on those freeways any time of day?
I have, and the scenario is about as likely as a deer actually making it across the track at 4:00 Sunday afternoon in Talladega on April 29 of this year...
 
rwguinn said:
My question remains: Have any of these guys actually Been on those freeways any time of day?
I have, and the scenario is about as likely as a deer actually making it across the track at 4:00 Sunday afternoon in Talladega on April 29 of this year...
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Actually, given the size of the track and the nature of restrictor plate racing keeping the cars in a relatively small pack, the odds of the deer making it across are rather good.

(finally, something on this board that I actually have some knowedge of :D )
 
HawksFan said:
Actually, given the size of the track and the nature of restrictor plate racing keeping the cars in a relatively small pack, the odds of the deer making it across are rather good.

(finally, something on this board that I actually have some knowedge of :D )
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An alla them there rednecks air jist gonna let it get past?
C'mon, now!:D :D
 
HawksFan said:
Actually, given the size of the track and the nature of restrictor plate racing keeping the cars in a relatively small pack, the odds of the deer making it across are rather good.

You think that deer is gonna make it through the infield full of "NASCAR fans" on sunday near dinner time? i'd just be praying i was wearing orange when that happened.
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lmao, i'm new, i gotta learn how to get these thing posted faster or i will look like a hack.
 
HawksFan said:
Actually, given the size of the track and the nature of restrictor plate racing keeping the cars in a relatively small pack, the odds of the deer making it across are rather good.

(finally, something on this board that I actually have some knowedge of :D )
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Probability worked against the kangaroo at Bathurst...

-Gumboot
 
Calcas said:
Remember that Merc (the other half of the CIT sooper duper investigative team) said this:

"Here is MY theory that I didn't want to put in the film. .........and maybe even drop the glass, bulb pieces perhaps even the little pieces of leaves."
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Wow, ,,,, just wow. The major components of this 'theory' are "no one noticed" , and "distracted". How can it lose?
 
Right after the plane flies over and explosion goes off...
Police(blue) get diverted from gas station, the truck/trailer perps stop on loop as if they are shocked
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The plan will involve a large jet travelling overhead very fast and the destruction of part of the Pentagon. However, Merc assumes that the people who are to carry out this surreptious, in plain sight, action of planting the lamp pole and broken glass, would be shocked,,,, shocked he tells us,,,, that a couple of police cars might roar by that very spot. Where did he really expect the police to be or to go? The nearest doughnut shop?:jaw-dropp

kee-riest on a stick, that is one complicated, convoluted and stupid theory.

of course it isn't a 'theory' it has absolutly no evidence to back it up. That makes it a senario created out of thin air
 
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Merc's quote above reminds me that Lyte never did address my post, #101 in this thread in which I asked him to confirm his senario.

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Lastly, not complex???
Shall we review..............
You have:
a) a several teams that must topple the lamp posts as the plane flies over head. These teams had not been briefed that if the plane did not go over their heads they were to abort the lamp post toppling, or the lamp posts are done along a different flight path as part of a campaign to create an illusion that a plane that did not fly along your flight path.

b) other teams to distribute small aircraft parts in front of the Pentagon
c) the surreptitious planting of explosives at the base of the Pentagon and inside the Pentagon that would blow the wall inward, create a fireball that rockets skyward and simulate the damage to the interior of the Pentagon that a speeding 757 would do (a wedge shaped zone of destruction as opposed to a spherical one)

d) the planting of human remains and aircraft parts within the Pentagon

e) an actual aircraft, flown by remote control, that roars in along your flight path headed for the Pentagon.

f) the explosion occurs before the plane reachs the Pentagon and thus Robert,(and all others, every single last one of them) who believes that the plane did hit the Pentagon, confusingly has the plane entering this fireball thus obscuring the plane from his sight until it does hit the Pentagon.

g) this fireball hides the fact that the plane flies over the Pentagon and somehow convinces everyone, every single last person who saw it hit, that the plane hits the ground floor. this fireball is so distracting that many also describe the plane's wing scraping the ground as it hit when in fact the plane was at that time roaring over the roof behind the fireball.

gg) all the witnesses who state that the plane hit the ground floor, or that it flew along the 'official' flight path are either mistaken, fooled by the fireball and downed lamp posts, or they are lying and probably part of the complex scheme.

h) the plane pulls up fast enough and banks out of the area fast enough that no one who was not facing the impact side of the Pentagon but rather on one of the other sides, who's attention would be drawn to the huge orange fireball, would notice this large jet travelling at no more than about 80 feet agl as it passed through and behind the fireball. This includes but is not limited to people on the other side of the Potomac and thus along the flight path of any aircraft roaring over the top of the Pentagon.

i) the actual flight 77 and all of its souls on board were then caused to disappear or the flight and all those people were faked. Fake life histories, fake families, faked phone calls, no such flight.
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jaydeehess said:
I found this gem from ol'LT

"As we have said from day one; it is not necessary to embrace the flyover theory.

The north side claim alone is enough to prove the plane did not cause the physical damage (and therefore that 9/11 was an inside job) so whatever you want to say happened to the plane after that is pretty much irrelevant."

So, it is not neccessary to believe that it flew over the building just that it fly along the north side of the Citgo ,,,,, and then vanished somehow but not neccessarily by flying over the Pentagon. My theory that the plane flew under the Pentagon is looking better now.
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Wow. I hope Lyte's never whined about the NIST not modeling the full collapse of the towers, because that would be... *head asplode*
 
jaydeehess said:
Bobert, you have to adjust your dialogue a bit. Lyte doesn't believe that the plane in question is flight 77. It would be "the plane that flew at the Pentagon on 9-11".
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CIT: WE HAVE 4 WITNESS WHO QUADRUPLE COLLABORATE THAT the plane that flew at the Pentagon on 9-11 FLEW NORTH OF THE CITGO!!!!!!
Police officer: You mean AA flight 77?
CIT: no, Flight 77 was no where near the Pentagon then. This is the plane that substituted for flight 77.
Officer: Uh do you have any physical evidence?
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It is rather bizarre that now CIT (Lyte) is making statements like
We do not believe for a second that AA77 flew over or impacted the Pentagon.
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and
The no plane stuff is crap but I don't doubt that some sort of advanced/covert/classified/exotic weaponry was used to bring down the towers.
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Are they going to be doing a tour with Dr. Judy Woods next?
Maybe they should put up a video of Dr. Judy Woods promoting CIT.
That would cool!!
Birds of a feather...
 
jaydeehess said:
Wow, ,,,, just wow. The major components of this 'theory' are "no one noticed" , and "distracted". How can it lose?
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Hmmmmmm

I was at a party the other day when all of a sudden all the members of teh party were distracted as I had my way with and satisfied 3 playmates.
No one noticed at all as they were distracted by a glowing disco ball.
 
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