432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

Yet, the Cromagnons of southern France had lived on average to over sixty, had perfect teeth, and left behind evidence of relying on diet containing surprisingly little meat. Don't ask me for links, you'll have to find them yourself if interested.

This is just a blatant lie. There is no way they had perfect teath, regardless of what they ate, they would have worn them down. Certainly fruits would still do this, they have seeds and dirt. Not to mention that teath were used in certain aspects of work, such as scraping hides.

Over sixty? Please sight a source. I do not want links, I want evidence in peer reviewed journals

Additionally, you have yet to indicate how they would have gotten protein, considering they did not farm. And the cultivated plants which modern humans can use for protein were domesticated and not wild varieties.
 
1700 posts.
One thousand, seven hundred posts.

I've been avoiding this thread, knowing somehow that it was going nowhere, but at 1700 posts I had to sneak in and look around. And where are we?

Numerology.
Atlantis.
Ancient Helicopters.
Super-technology Pyramids / Pyramidology.
A dash of vegetarianism.
and now: Anachronistic Rifles. Invisible ones, at that. Revealed in the negative space of a rough sketch of some ancient picture.

:boggled:
I must wash my hands of this.
I wish everyone remaining on this thread a good day.
 
Health conscious? Or did their doctor order them to change diets or die?
The main problem in eating meat is the long time required for its complete digestion in humans. Whereas animals, whose main staple is meat have strong stomach acids (10 to 15 times stronger than people), which helps get rid of the meat before it starts rotting, and short digestive tracts (three to five times shorter), also contributing to quick processing - humans have none of the above. Naturally, most problems will stem from these human inadequacies as meat-eaters. The meat rots in the intestines, preventing them from performing their natural functiions, such as synthesis of vitamin B12.
Yes but other animals do not cook meat. Additionally, beans and other high protein plant foods are often barely digestible as well. Meat doesn't give most people gas the way beans do. And if you do not break the outer shell things like beans go right through without digestion. Additonally, the evidence for meat eating at all stages in human history illustrates that it is important, natural, and evolved. [/QUOTE]

Getting enough protein from other food than meat is amazingly easy, and easier than avoiding getting too much protein.. Four ounces of meat or nuts contain about two ounces of protein, which is the upper limit on kidney capacity in processing protein per one day.
What's the usual steak size in Texas?
Is this why many people who become vegans and vegitarians go through an initial period of poor nutrition before realizing something is wrong and then go to a doctor?
While I have no scientific studies of this, I do know many people who have had this issue, and that at least shows that it is not easy, but requires a regimented diet.
BTW, I was vegitarian for a while, and have nothing against the idea that it can be a sustainable diet. However, so can omnivory. Carnivory has always been an important human practice, and saying that the Eden myth remembered some vegan period of paradise is just an obvious falsehood.[/QUOTE]

The picture seems to be showing a rifle, it's no joke. I would love the chance to study the original since in my experience with the style, there might be more such weapons drawn nearby, which Lwoff missed like he missed the one we see, but he didn't see, despite drawing the simplified picture himself..
The image also seems geometrical right away, the gunman's elbow is a nice right-angle on the outside, and it seems to be a part of a rectangle.

The fact is that it could be showing many things, a club, a phalis, many things. Things besides a rifle are just as easily supportable by the image, and fit the archaeological record a thousand times better, and are thus much more likely.
 
Health conscious? Or did their doctor order them to change diets or die?

Do you have any actual examples of someone's doctor telling them to change to a vegan diet or die? Do you have any statistical evidence that this happens on a large scale?

The main problem in eating meat is the long time required for its complete digestion in humans. Whereas animals, whose main staple is meat have strong stomach acids (10 to 15 times stronger than people), which helps get rid of the meat before it starts rotting, and short digestive tracts (three to five times shorter), also contributing to quick processing - humans have none of the above. Naturally, most problems will stem from these human inadequacies as meat-eaters. The meat rots in the intestines, preventing them from performing their natural functiions, such as synthesis of vitamin B12.

Completely false. The meat does not rot in the intestines at all.

You are ignoring several factors here. Firstly, the human body is quite capable of breaking down the meat to absorb the various proteins, vitamins, minerals, and amino acids it contains. Secondly, undigested food will pass through the digestive tract and exit the body with bowel movements. Anyway, what does this line of thinking say about fiber? Fiber is completely undigestible, and yet it passes through fine.

As an aside, it takes all undigested material roughly the same length of time to be passed through the digestive tract. If meat somehow rotted there, so would everything else.

Getting enough protein from other food than meat is amazingly easy, and easier than avoiding getting too much protein.. Four ounces of meat or nuts contain about two ounces of protein, which is the upper limit on kidney capacity in processing protein per one day.
What's the usual steak size in Texas?

That's irrelevant, and it doesn't address my concerns. Actually, it seems to support my earlier point that the issue isn't about meat vs. no meat so much as it is about healthy diet vs. not healthy diet.

If you're vegan, then you must not eat any animal products. What is your stance on dairy products?

The picture seems to be showing a rifle, it's no joke. I would love the chance to study the original since in my experience with the style, there might be more such weapons drawn nearby, which Lwoff missed like he missed the one we see, but he didn't see, despite drawing the simplified picture himself..

You're simply seeing that which isn't there now. You've had to include the outline of a bent arm in a crude picture and decided it looked like a rifle.

What are you saying? That ancient people had rifles? Do you have any evidence of this, without resorting to claiming that your interpretation of this carving is "obvious?"

So, they had rifles but did not have advanced engraving techniques, complex buildings, highly developed agriculture, or complex societies? I'm a bit confused - how do you think they obtained rifles? Did aliens drop down a give the prehistoric people some AR-15s?
 
You are innocent, all you did was change the gif extension into jpg. When you increased the image's size, your graphics program changed the lines 'just a bit'. In several places, where your rendition shows daylight, my old gif shows contact between the respective lines.

Is.... is... is he saying that JPEG compression can alter SOME lines but not others, even when they purportedly overlap with the former ????????
 
Yet, the Cromagnons of southern France had lived on average to over sixty, had perfect teeth, and left behind evidence of relying on diet containing surprisingly little meat. Don't ask me for links, you'll have to find them yourself if interested.

That's a convenient copout, considering that most of the sources I've seen, at least sources that are not touting alternative medicine or odd diets, estimate Cro Magnon life expectancy at around 30. Granted, that low life expectancy is based partially on accident, predation and other sources of mortality than the ravages of age, but I'd certainly like to see a reputable reference that supports your assertion.
 
You are innocent
OK, not quite sure where you're going with this...


all you did was change the gif extension into jpg. When you increased the image's size, your graphics program changed the lines 'just a bit'.
Are you claiming that when my professional image editing software performed a simple resize on the jpeg, it made such changes as to render the resulting image unrepresentative?

Or, to reiterate Belz's incredulity "Is.... is... is he saying that JPEG compression can alter SOME lines but not others, even when they purportedly overlap with the former ????????"


In several places, where your rendition shows daylight, my old gif shows contact between the respective lines. Plus, the total area of your line has grew in proportion to the total area of the engraved line.
First, my image is not a rendition, it is simply a magnification of your image, with no alteration other than recolouring for emphasis.

The gif in your posts is approximately half-size, so using that is pointless, the original, in your hosted images, shows clearly the areas I have highlighted. The line has not grown, anti-aliasing in the original may give the appearance of a pixel thickening on the recoloured image, but this is certainly not a distortion of the relative proportions of the engraved and forced lines.

Your point blank refusal to accept any honest assessment of you analysis is at best disingenuous and at worst, and currently most likely, blatantly dishonest.


The other gif, the one with the 5-pointed Pyrostar shows the same contested area on line 'b' under magnification thusly:
And quite clearly shows your line not even touching the edge of the engraved line, making you a liar and the line totally invalid.


At twice lifesize, after reconstruction of the idea of Pyrostar from the Square, the four lines 'a','b''c''d' exist right where we want them in relation to the engraved lines.
Interesting, nowhere in that sentence does it mention any lines being created by the actual engraving; only reconstructed from your arbitrary square and existing where you want them.


Note, how let's say the line 'd', so maligned by you, approaches the multiple intersection at the top marked by a red arrow. It hits seveeral engraved points in an exact manner, more self-confirmation for the line.
It doesn't hit any exact engraved points at all, and it only intersects with your other fudged, fiddled and invented lines because you want it to. In fact, the arrow points to the intersection of one dishonestly incorrect line and two which appear to come from, and go to, nowhere.


Another look at my work then:
If we must...


Obviously, line 'd' is the best line here.
Obviously, you are on, or need, some kind of medication.


It follows the edges of the engraved line in several placesm better than any other line could.
Given the quality of your interpretive work, that's not much of a recommendation. Also, the effect is rather spoilt by the fact that half the line is entirely without the engraved line.


In view of the fact that it is computer regeneration, the result is most satisfactory (Picture perfect).
Computer or not, entirely misrepresenting the original image is not most satisfactory, it even breaches your own rules, and that's saying something.


What you say is another line, is a part of line 'd', especially on the life-size scale.
Scale has nothing to do with it; the doubling of thickness, the continuation away of the second line and the upward final curve of d all demonstrate the deliberate creation of two separate, but partially contacting, lines.


A paleontologist would opine that the artist had used two strokes to engrave it.
I would imagine that he would say that many strokes would be required to produce each line.


This engraving had been made in a lab. It was not chiselled by primitive tools. It is not random.
To quote you; "Were you drunk when writing this rubbish"?
 
Jiri, ReligionStudent has a valid point. It is valid on at least two counts.

The first is basic scientific process. You have a hypothesis: Mathematical insight and knowledge of an ancient culture can be deduced from the artwork of the culture. (Please, correct that if you feel it misrepresents your hypothesis.) The next step would be experimentation. The most obvious experiments would evaluate artwork of known-mathematical cultures and of known-non-mathematical cultures. You seem to be assuming your hypothesis correct without the pesky work in the middle to validate your hypothesis.

The second is algorithmic ambiguity. Your algorithm for adding lines isn't. (Isn't an algorithm, that is.) The experimenter has too much latitude deciding where lines may be drawn and which lines are to be included. In short, it is an artistic rather than a mechanical process.

Are those specific enough?



*bump*

Any comment, Jiri?
 
Forget sacred geometry... worship the TIME CUBE. We need a timecube thread, darn it!
After careful consideration I believe you are risking either a black hole that will engulf this forum or a time warp that will throw us all back into the 12th century by posting a reference to the time cube on this thread.
 
After careful consideration I believe you are risking either a black hole that will engulf this forum or a time warp that will throw us all back into the 12th century by posting a reference to the time cube on this thread.

You're right... forget it. We're in danger of forming a neutron star of Woo (Sickness X1) :D
 
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