Canada Seal Slaughter begins

[thaiboxerken]

The pushy ones are the ones that tend to get noticed. Just like fundamentalists of any group.

What to fundamentalists have in common with the moderates of their group? I'll answer for you.

The absurd beliefs.

 

[steverino]

To her, it was disgusting. To some people, seeing a dog roasted alive (or dead, even) is disgusting. "Disgust" is all about personal perception; and if she was not informed that a pig was going to be roasted, then I can see why she was appalled. Once more, it seems like your main concern is that she isn't MAN enough (er, woman enough?) to see a carcass and think, "Oh, hey, it's just dead meat that I can eat", and instead saw what was once a live animal.QUOTE]

Wasn't there a scene in GIANT where they were scooping out cow brains? It grossed me out totally.

 

[Mid]

Most vegetarians that I encounter I actually initiate an inquiry when it comes up; they aren't very pushy.

The pushy ones are the ones that tend to get noticed. Just like fundamentalists of any group.



To her, it was disgusting. To some people, seeing a dog roasted alive (or dead, even) is disgusting. "Disgust" is all about personal perception; and if she was not informed that a pig was going to be roasted, then I can see why she was appalled. Once more, it seems like your main concern is that she isn't MAN enough (er, woman enough?) to see a carcass and think, "Oh, hey, it's just dead meat that I can eat", and instead saw what was once a live animal.

Some people don't actually like seeing the whole of dead animals. Personally, I loathe being able to see the face of the animal that I'm eating. It's disturbing.

But then, I'm not a REAL man, I guess.


Okay, seriously, I find it interesting that you are so upset over her reaction. She was not informed that a whole pig was going to be cooked, right? And when she saw it, she was disturbed, and reacted in that sense. I don't quite see why her reaction was that bad; if she had never been exposed to a dead animal, I don't think she would have had the desensitization that, say, a redneck would have while he's tearing out the guts of a deer carcass.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if there was something else about this scenario that wasn't stated or that I'm just not imagining. When you mentioned that she was "preaching" how wrong it was, I can see that there's a possibility that it was much worse than I'm imagining currently...

That's not my reading of the situation at all, from what i can see from Tailgater's post this girl was disgusted at seeing a whole pig roasted (which is fair enough) and instead of just leaving or asking to leave, with maybe some explanation why, she decided to inform everyone else that what they were doing was "sick". This is plainly rude. Ok maybe she should have been informed a pig was going to be roasted but given she was invited to a barbecue thinking roasting a whole pig is some sick ritual she's been tricked into is a bit ott don't you think?

To give a hypothetical example to illustrate why I think her behaviuor as described was rude and insulting, suppose she was an evangelical Christian and at the party there was a gay couple which she took offence to, now would it be civil of her to express her firmly held view that they were sick and disgusting?

 

[Tailgater]

Most vegetarians that I encounter I actually initiate an inquiry when it comes up; they aren't very pushy.

The pushy ones are the ones that tend to get noticed. Just like fundamentalists of any group.



To her, it was disgusting. To some people, seeing a dog roasted alive (or dead, even) is disgusting. "Disgust" is all about personal perception; and if she was not informed that a pig was going to be roasted, then I can see why she was appalled. Once more, it seems like your main concern is that she isn't MAN enough (er, woman enough?) to see a carcass and think, "Oh, hey, it's just dead meat that I can eat", and instead saw what was once a live animal.

Some people don't actually like seeing the whole of dead animals. Personally, I loathe being able to see the face of the animal that I'm eating. It's disturbing.

But then, I'm not a REAL man, I guess.


Okay, seriously, I find it interesting that you are so upset over her reaction. She was not informed that a whole pig was going to be cooked, right? And when she saw it, she was disturbed, and reacted in that sense. I don't quite see why her reaction was that bad; if she had never been exposed to a dead animal, I don't think she would have had the desensitization that, say, a redneck would have while he's tearing out the guts of a deer carcass.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if there was something else about this scenario that wasn't stated or that I'm just not imagining. When you mentioned that she was "preaching" how wrong it was, I can see that there's a possibility that it was much worse than I'm imagining currently...

Your right. None of it had nothing to do with being "manly". Some people would like to live their lives without being told how "immoral" they are. I find there is a fine line between this and a preacher showing up at my house trying to shove god down my throat.

At first, I thought nothing of it when she first saw the pig and started to make comments. It's not uncommon for even the people eating the meat to see the whole pig and say "ewwwww". (doesn't stop them from having a pork sandwich in my honey sweet barbecue sauce ) She was expecting nice looking prepackaged food from the grocery store that she wouldn't have to have an emotional attachment to. I get a little chuckle and remind them that if we were serving hot dogs and you saw how they were made it would be much worse. Most people don't mind getting prepackaged food that they would never touch if they saw first-hand what was thrown in. Apparently the pig set her off and it went past the normal, "that is gross" comments, and degraded in to how I would feel if I put my family members on display and roasted them. After several attempts to be polite to a guest and ask her just to drop it, comments escalated (other people were not helping at this point). She tried telling me how barbaric I was for being able to take this whole animal and prepare it, cook it and cut it in to pieces before a crowd to devour it. That humans were evolved now. I was still being patient at this point, by trying to tell her that it costs at least four times more to buy all this meat prepackaged, she was upsetting other people and if she didn't like it, there was plenty of other places to sit and not look at it. I guess this was her cue to pull out the animal rights handbook and give us all a lesson in a better world view. Shouts ensued and the rest is history.

 

[Tailgater]

These wacky-type chicks are usually really good in bed.

When I was in college, that was very true. Women with a cause are wild when you agree with them.

 

[Lonewulf]

Some people would like to live their lives without being told how "immoral" they are.

Of course. No one likes to feel like they're being immoral. Two hundred years ago, certain people in society wouldn't like being told that they're being immoral... today, we consider their actions to be incredibly immoral.

At first, I thought nothing of it when she first saw the pig and started to make comments. It's not uncommon for even the people eating the meat to see the whole pig and say "ewwwww". (doesn't stop them from having a pork sandwich in my honey sweet barbecue sauce ) She was expecting nice looking prepackaged food from the grocery store that she wouldn't have to have an emotional attachment to. I get a little chuckle and remind them that if we were serving hot dogs and you saw how they were made it would be much worse. Most people don't mind getting prepackaged food that they would never touch if they saw first-hand what was thrown in. Apparently the pig set her off and it went past the normal, "that is gross" comments, and degraded in to how I would feel if I put my family members on display and roasted them. After several attempts to be polite to a guest and ask her just to drop it, comments escalated (other people were not helping at this point).

Ah, k. I misread it. Didn't have to read on, I saw where it was going (I kept reading anyways, but I still saw it). That was going overboard.

But nonetheless, this particular scenario does nothing but to demonstrate that there are fundamentalists. There are fundamentalists in everything.

And someone rubbing into the face of a vegetarian that you are eating meat as an "FU", is to me, about just the same as accusing someone of murder for eating animals. If the vegetarian pushes an issue to the point where they are being incredibly insulting, then it's tit for tat. But suddenly opening up with, "OH, I'm eating MEAT... see that animal you loved? Well, now I'm EATING it... it's in my BELLY..." is just plain immature and unwarranted.

Of course, vs. Dustin, I can see the temptation there.

 

[Tailgater]

But nonetheless, this particular scenario does nothing but to demonstrate that there are fundamentalists. There are fundamentalists in everything.

And someone rubbing into the face of a vegetarian that they're eating meat as an "FU", is to me, about just the same as accusing someone of murder for eating animals.

I agree. I have some friends who are "complete" vegetarians and the subject never comes up. If I invite them over, we have non-meat appetizers for them and so on. It is definitely the fundie type veggies that prompt those reactions from many. Resentment from extremists pushing agendas (and that probably depends where you stand on the broad subject of animal rights) tends to resonate with many people. Of course, this is true with just about anything.

Side note: What is the shelf life of soy milk or other products? I buy a lot of dry or dehydrated goods in case we have to leave town on short notice. I hate having to go for a few days and coming back to bad food. I really don't like wasted food.

 

[Tailgater]

And someone rubbing into the face of a vegetarian that you are eating meat as an "FU", is to me, about just the same as accusing someone of murder for eating animals. If the vegetarian pushes an issue to the point where they are being incredibly insulting, then it's tit for tat. But suddenly opening up with, "OH, I'm eating MEAT... see that animal you loved? Well, now I'm EATING it... it's in my BELLY..." is just plain immature and unwarranted.

Of course, vs. Dustin, I can see the temptation there.

 

[thaiboxerken]

How do you keep the meat moist throughout the pig in a pig roast? I would think the outside meat would get dry and tough. You should've put an apple in the veggie chick's mouth.

Also, telling an "ethics" vegetarian that you're eating meat is never unwarranted.

 

[Tailgater]

How do you keep the meat moist throughout the pig in a pig roast? I would think the outside meat would get dry and tough. You should've put an apple in the veggie chick's mouth.

Also, telling an "ethics" vegetarian that you're eating meat is never unwarranted.

Similar to a turkey by injecting caulking gun sized tubes of seasoned water into various parts of the body to keep it moist (don't really have to, but I think it's better). If you coat the outside with oil it will make the skin crispier and also help seal in moisture (butter works too, but I like the crunchiness of oil).

 

[Lonewulf]

I take it that you disapprove of my post?

Anyways, regardless, there's never going to be agreement between the groups. While both are so busy trying to annoy, ridicule, or insult the other, there shall only be idiots like Thaiboxerken and the veggie chick you talked about.

Rational discussion? Out the window. It's about "us vs. them", no empathy, no discussion.

 

[Tailgater]

I take it that you disapprove of my post?

Anyways, regardless, there's never going to be agreement between the groups. While both are so busy trying to annoy, ridicule, or insult the other, there shall only be idiots like Thaiboxerken and the veggie chick you talked about.

Rational discussion? Out the window. It's about "us vs. them", no empathy, no discussion.

Hehe. I guess I picked the wrong smilie. You nailed the last line on the head.

 

[Lonewulf]

Hehe. I guess I picked the wrong smilie. You nailed the last line on the head.

Ah, yes, of course.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Again, fundamentalists of christianity are like fundamentalists of vegetarianism, they simply take the absurd beliefs to a violent level.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

That's not my reading of the situation at all, from what i can see from Tailgater's post this girl was disgusted at seeing a whole pig roasted (which is fair enough) and instead of just leaving or asking to leave, with maybe some explanation why, she decided to inform everyone else that what they were doing was "sick". This is plainly rude. Ok maybe she should have been informed a pig was going to be roasted but given she was invited to a barbecue thinking roasting a whole pig is some sick ritual she's been tricked into is a bit ott don't you think?

To give a hypothetical example to illustrate why I think her behaviuor as described was rude and insulting, suppose she was an evangelical Christian and at the party there was a gay couple which she took offence to, now would it be civil of her to express her firmly held view that they were sick and disgusting?

I don't see a problem expressing opinions. If you find it "rude" to express opinions then I think you're the one with a problem here.

What if you were in a society that allowed humans to be killed and roasted and eaten? You are invited to a dinner and are very excited and unknown to you, they have just murdered a human and are currently roasting them. At sight of this would you kindly leave or would you explain to them how what they are doing isn't acceptable? Would it be rude to explain to them why it's wrong to kill and roast a human?

You use an example of a Christian criticizing a gay couple. What about if an Atheist is invited to some sort of Christian gathering and isn't told anything about it. Would it be rude of the atheist to point out the fact that Christianity is absurd and theism is baseless? I don't think so.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Your right. None of it had nothing to do with being "manly". Some people would like to live their lives without being told how "immoral" they are. I find there is a fine line between this and a preacher showing up at my house trying to shove god down my throat.

Do you feel the same way about Sylvia Browne? Do you think she should just be able to live her life without being told how immoral she is? Or do so hypocritical that you only feel this way about people who think what you do is immoral but not when you think others are immoral?

 

[Lonewulf]

You use an example of a Christian criticizing a gay couple. What about if an Atheist is invited to some sort of Christian gathering and isn't told anything about it. Would it be rude of the atheist to point out the fact that Christianity is absurd and theism is baseless? I don't think so.

Yes, it would be rude, especially if they were not interested in discussing the topic with the atheist. Especially if the atheist used any sort of insults towards those involved.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Yes, it would be rude, especially if they were not interested in discussing the topic with the atheist. Especially if the atheist used any sort of insults towards those involved.

I don't believe attempting to point out someones delusions is a rude thing.

 

[Mid]

I don't see a problem expressing opinions. If you find it "rude" to express opinions then I think you're the one with a problem here.

What if you were in a society that allowed humans to be killed and roasted and eaten? You are invited to a dinner and are very excited and unknown to you, they have just murdered a human and are currently roasting them. At sight of this would you kindly leave or would you explain to them how what they are doing isn't acceptable? Would it be rude to explain to them why it's wrong to kill and roast a human?

You use an example of a Christian criticizing a gay couple. What about if an Atheist is invited to some sort of Christian gathering and isn't told anything about it. Would it be rude of the atheist to point out the fact that Christianity is absurd and theism is baseless? I don't think so.

There's a difference between expressing an opinion and getting into a shouting match. For instance as a lecturer I've caught a number of students who have plagarised this annoys me greatly however when I call them in to discuss it I do not shout at them and cause a scene even when they start lying to me as this is rude and counter productive. So if she'd wanted to have a discussion about the rights and wrongs of cooking something with a face I'd have no problem with that, when you start having a shouting match at a barbecue over how the meat is cooked that's ott. I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to do it, but others can still find the behaviour unacceptable and ask her to leave.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

There's a difference between expressing an opinion and getting into a shouting match. For instance as a lecturer I've caught a number of students who have plagarised this annoys me greatly however when I call them in to discuss it I do not shout at them and cause a scene even when they start lying to me as this is rude and counter productive. So if she'd wanted to have a discussion about the rights and wrongs of cooking something with a face I'd have no problem with that, when you start having a shouting match at a barbecue over how the meat is cooked that's ott. I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to do it, but others can still find the behaviour unacceptable and ask her to leave.

Under what circumstances would you start shouting at people if you saw them doing something you considered wrong?