Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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kitakaze said:
Since I'm not having any luck at crypto...
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Your post to DWA is directly confrontational, provocative and makes something of a dare to visit JREF. It's probably been discarded by one of the Three Bigfootmen (Coleman, Woolheater & Noll). Coleman reads JREF for sure, and may have suspected your post was coming. We make quite a fuss here over Bigfootery and Cryptomundo. Then considering the manic rantings made here by Sweety & CarcassRodan - it would be somewhat unexpected for Crypto to allow your post.

I saw that your other posts in the "New Bigfoot Video" topic did make the cut, so you have had some luck.
 
Holy Jorje. What's going on there? Those posts in the new video were the couple of short shots I mentioned above making as a test to see if my first post didn't go through because of length. They certainly did not come up right away as Greg's had or even after a short while. I wish they weren't both posted as I was basically rewording the same thing twice to check if might be some other problem. I again just a short while ago made another test in the new fish article to see if the problem continued. It did and I sent a message to the board.

I'll just have to wait, I guess. Then... all DWA's base are mine!
 
Correa Neto said:
Aniway, I found at Melissa's site another interesting tidbit on bigfeet, the twisted trees issue. Two things, the way I see it, point to an origin not related to an undiscovered North American giant ape:
-The fallen trees surveyed by Kathy point towards the same direction, this may be indicative of wind direction;
-Twisted fallen trees are common. I've seen plenty of them in tropical rainforests where there are no mythical giant apes. Slight weight imballances and differences in the mechanical resistance of the bark and the trunk, coupled with (even gentle) winds may be enough to start a rotation movment.

So, if say the above but finish my arguments with a "who knows, but maybe bigfootdidit", I will be an OK skeptic. But if I don't, I'm an evil denialist scoffic...
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It's pretty common to see Bigfooter references to things like broken or twisted trees, stick "formations" and tree knocking. All are being attributed to Bigfoot as being some form of display or communication. Usually there is a reference to BF using these as territorial behavior or simply to indicate their own presence for whatever reason.

I've never seen any proper rebuttal to this other than the most obvious one - that is that these things were created by something other than BF. But the real problem with proposing these things as Bigfoot communication is rooted in simple concepts of animal behavior. Most of these things would turn out to be non-functional, confusing or inefficient for Bigfoot even if they were used.

Bigfoot is going to have a big problem communicating anything by breaking or twisting a tree when there are already so many of these things being created by wind. You can begin to imagine the confusion for any Bigfoot if broken trees are supposed to indicate the territory of a rival male or whatever. If a Bigfoot hears a beaver bring down a tree, will it think that a rival male is going into a testosterone rage or what? The same is true for stick formations such as the famous "X-formation", which is sometimes proposed as BF communication.

The tree knockings are proposed as a form of audible communication. Bigfoot is described as picking up a big stick or rock and banging it on a tree or log. This is proposed as a way for Bigfoot to indicate its presence or to "say something" to another Bigfoot or even a human. But why would a Bigfoot knock on wood instead of just scream or roar or something? What would Bigfoot think if it heard a woodpecker knock or an outdoorsman chopping wood or hammering?

You will see Bigfooters try to discourage other Bigfooters from attributing these things to Bigfoot. Mostly it's because there are other common causes for these things. But I don't recall reading any form of skepticism that questions the animal's behavior in fundamental commonsense ways.
 
kitakaze said:
I'll just have to wait, I guess. Then... all DWA's base are mine!
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Get with it dude. You live in Japan? You are supposed to say, "All DWA's base are belong to me."

Anyway, daring the Crypto folks to visit JREF was probably the kiss of death for your post. Expect that your posts are quarantined before appearing in the blogs. The men behind the curtain might decide what is posted and what gets discarded. There is a need to maintain control and public image when you are promoting a grand myth as reality.

Don't expect Bigfooter forums or blogs to operate like JREF. This forum seems to be very close to truly open dialogue, with only occasional actions taken against foul-mouthed brats.
 
William Parcher said:
Get with it dude. You live in Japan? You are supposed to say, "All DWA's base are belong to me."

Anyway, daring the Crypto folks to visit JREF was probably the kiss of death for your post. Expect that your posts are quarantined before appearing in the blogs. The men behind the curtain might decide what is posted and what gets discarded. There is a need to maintain control and public image when you are promoting a grand myth as reality.

Don't expect Bigfooter forums or blogs to operate like JREF. This forum seems to be very close to truly open dialogue, with only occasional actions taken against foul-mouthed brats.
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Woops! I mean, "ooru DWA's ba-su aru berongu tsu mee." I can only surmise that my posts are indeed being quarantined. I just posted in Army National Guard Officer's sasquatch sighting pointing out the obvious fictional nature of the tale and of course, no dice.

I observed three large animals resembling humans in stance and shape at a blasting site we were about to demolish from several hundred meters while in a military convoy of five vehicles for about 25 seconds and I thought better of saying, "hey! what's that!" Where do I get my conference tickets.
 
William Parcher said:
It's pretty common to see Bigfooter references to things like broken or twisted trees, stick "formations" and tree knocking.
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Don't forget rock formations. You know... stacked rocks. No human would ever stack rocks like that. :rolleyes:

All are being attributed to Bigfoot as being some form of display or communication.
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Even though, to my knowledge, no one has actually observed bigfoot engaging in any of these behaviors. :boggled:

RayG
 
If you want to freak out a Bigfoot just make a rock stack in a hotspot. It'll think it was made by another Bigfoot. Then the tree knocks will start to assert its own territory.

I suppose Bigfoots end up having to act like Bigfooters. They must scrutinize every single "strange" thing or sound - to decide if it was caused by natural (physical) phenomena, caused by another Bigfoot or caused by humans. It's a tough life to do that on top of avoiding cameras, guns, vehicles and leaving your DNA anywhere.
 
Wait, what?

Someone shot and killed a Bigfoot and they're keeping mum on that and continuing to trot out the PGF as their best evidence?

I'm confused.
 
I think it's cool though I'm not 100% certain this is kosher here. Since my posts are being quarantined and discarded at cryptomundo and we know cryptomundo reads JREF BF threads I'm adopting a new strategy for the time being. Posts I make which are discarded there I will post here if I feel that they are relevant to the discussion we are having here. If it's not cool than mod, please let me know. This post is in response to DWA's post asking 'why do people like kitakaze even bother showing up?'

DWA: Why do people like me show up? Well that's what you get when you falsely portray informed bigfoot skepticism. Open dialogue doesn't bother you does it? People who have spent a long time examining in-depth the bigfoot phenomenom and are of the position that there is no such animal don't bother you, do they? I'd really love for bigfoot to exist but I'm quite sure that it doesn't. I'm open to the possibility but I see nothing to support it over mundane causes. You don't think so? Great, let's talk about it.

Bigfootery is a self perpetuating belief system and there are those such as myself who are very familiar with and interested in how it perpetuates itself. Very few proponents feel confident enough in their case to go where informed BF skeptics discuss the issue. When BF skepticism is misportrayed then us coming to where you do so to answer you shouldn't be so surprising. If the case for bigfoot is so strong then you really have nothing to worry about when that happens, do you? Looking forward to your response if my post is allowed to be put up. Most haven't.

MultipleEncounters: I apologize if this offends you but I don't believe you've ever seen a bigfoot and I think it's too bad you can't acknowledge an utterly obvious poor hoax with this latest youtube prank. Since in none of your multiple claimed encounters were you able to produce any manner of reliable evidence I wish you the best of luck for your next one.

kitakaze
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William Parcher said:
The tree knockings are proposed as a form of audible communication. Bigfoot is described as picking up a big stick or rock and banging it on a tree or log. This is proposed as a way for Bigfoot to indicate its presence or to "say something" to another Bigfoot or even a human. But why would a Bigfoot knock on wood instead of just scream or roar or something?
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Well, silly, because then humans would be able to hear it !!

Bigfoot ninjas are sneakier than that !
 
KKZ, it appears that all of your posts are now right where you put them. The blog format makes tracking stuff down really tedious.
 
William Parcher said:
KKZ, it appears that all of your posts are now right where you put them. The blog format makes tracking stuff down really tedious.
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Thanks, WP. I found what you were talking about. As Greg said, his stuff went up right away so mine does seem to be going through lengthy quarantine. In the meantime while I wait, just for fun:

DWA responds:
April 27th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
kitakaze: I can wait until you read my posts again. People who don’t read carefully come off looking like scofftics.

Scofftic: skeptic who pays no attention to any evidence that doesn’t fit pet theorems.

And who serves up lots of weak coffee. (All those “bigfoot myths”: easily refuted. Been done lots of times on this site. Mostly by me. Use that Search, man. Please don’t make me do it again, OK?)

Oh, BTW: Bigfoot have been shot, more than once. At least once fatally. One shot, good rifle. Yep, I’ve put up the link to that one too, right here, read all about it. READ SIGHTING REPORTS. I know, broken record. But folks just ain’t doing it.

Waiting for a sas to climb into your truck ain’t gonna get it done. Following evidence? Now THAT has a track record.
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DWA: I read your posts carefully. Interesting yet typical that you responded to mine without answering any of the questions posed to you. Where is this reliable evidence of bigfoot? Bigfoot has been shot? Lovely. Reliable evidence? You were stating it as fact, you know. I've been reading sightings reports for the better part of my like. Again, el chupacabra, Nessie, UFO's, and Jesus Incarnate. Nice try with the reversal but a whole lotta paltry evidence is indeed weak coffee. Funny that when you are faced with an actual informed BF skeptic you offer nothing but evasion. I'm taking it that you're declining an invitation to step up to bat with us at the JREF.

DWA, all your base are belong to me!
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Good God, now you'll really provoke him to come over here. Expect reinforcements for great justice. All JREF's base are belong to them.


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There are moments when I love this place so much I almost feel embarrassed. This is one of them. I'm now embarking at my peril on a cryptomundo crusade. WP, please explain my folley lest anyone make the same mistake.:D
 
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