*split* Lyte's proof that the Lloyd England's experience is false

[apathoid]

Right, then how in the world are they witnesses that contradict the North side witnesses? Or support the South side?

So you agree that it's not extraordinary that no witnesses claim that the plane flew on the south side of the Citgo station?

Do you see what I'm getting at, Lyte? You engineered the "north side claim", noone made reference to it before you arrived on the scene. So you shouldn't ask how many said they saw it to the south. Thats dishonest.

Hundreds were in position to see the plane flyover, and not one did. That should tell you something.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

.... I'd say something, but I just realized my troll picture isn't approiate.

So. Since I'm going to leave soon (class and all)

To summarize..


1) you talked to your witnesses years after too
2) You predispose that something is suspicious and deny it as well.
3) Witnesses aren't the only evidence
4) Did you ask them where they were when they saw it, or did you just assume it's that point?

 

[mortimer]

Did you have any answers on the plane "witnesses" saw flying away?

I certainly don't, but I would have thought you would, since it's your silly theory and all.

But you don't. Your theory: flyover. Number of witnesses you interviewed who saw a flyover: zero. What does that say about your theory?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Nope, they ALL say that the plane hit the Pentagon and Robert has the plane on a significantly different path than Lyte would have us believe it took.

,,,,, but that's all OK with Lyte....................

Robert does not. He placed the plane on the North side of the Citgo. PERIOD.

He explained the right wing was closer to the canopy and the plane was further north, when we got closer to details.

We had him draw the flight path the day before his interview, in the store while he was on the job. He obviously cleared up where the plane was at, rather than quickly drawing the flight path on an image that has every little details on it.

 

[HyJinX]

Your witnesses are mistaken. I make mistakes all the time. I accept they were in error and I'm sure they didn't mean any harm.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I certainly don't, but I would have thought you would, since it's your silly theory and all.

We do. They are not telling the truth.

We have spoke with two witnesses who claimed this. Kieth Wheelhouse and Joel Sucherman.

The others are not easily reachable, but I would bring those two, and the others in for questioning since the C-130 did not do what they claimed it did. At least what Kieth Wheelhouse did.

 

[apathoid]

Robert does not. He placed the plane on the North side of the Citgo. PERIOD.

He explained the right wing was closer to the canopy and the plane was further north, when we got closer to details.

Of course there's that whole thing about Robert not doing what he claimed in the security video that was released. Other than that, he's a good witness for the north side claim.....oh except that he said he didn't see the impact because the bridge-mound was in the way. If it was in the way, then the plane couldn't have been to the north.

Then there's your star witness, Lagasse, whose recollection of where he was, along with the location of the cab/light pole scene - was incorrect, and in the case of the latter, by a few hundred feet.

Then there's Ed Paik who couldn't see the Navy Annex, the Citgo, or the Pentagon, and whose account of where he saw the plane is at odds with the other three, short of the aircraft involved being an F-16. He also drew two different flight paths, even though he was in no position to draw anything more than an "X" indicating the location the plane was when he saw it..


Do you honestly think your witnesses wouldn't be torn to shreds in a court of law, Lyte?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Your witnesses are mistaken. I make mistakes all the time. I accept they were in error and I'm sure they didn't mean any harm.

Sorry, but they think YOU are mistaken. Isn't that interesting?

Clearly you are brave guy HyJinx, so why don't you call them?

 

[HyJinX]

Sorry, but they think YOU are mistaken. Isn't that interesting?

Clearly you are brave guy HyJinx, so why don't you call them?

They don't know me. I'll stick with the physical evidence that is supported by the large majority of eye-witnesses.

Apathoid clearly points out that each of your witnesses' recollections are suspect.

Your 4 are clearly mistaken. People make mistakes. Preponderance of evidence and eye-witnesses trumps bad memories of 4 people.

Case closed.

How are DVD sales going so far Lyte?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Of course there's that whole thing about Robert not doing what he claimed in the security video that was released.

Oh you mean the video they released AFTER Aldo spoke with Robert and posted the findings? That video?

Other than that, he's a good witness for the north side claim.....oh except that he said he didn't see the impact because the bridge-mound was in the way. If it was in the way, then the plane couldn't have been to the north.

Ur silly. He was refering to the "impact" being obscured by Rt 27.

Then there's your star witness, Lagasse, whose recollection of where he was, along with the location of the cab/light pole scene - was incorrect, and in the case of the latter, by a few hundred feet.

Please. Him instinctively moving up the forwarf pump is not proof of anything. He remembered part way through the interview.

How do you know he didn't see the cab there?

Then there's Ed Paik who couldn't see the Navy Annex, the Citgo, or the Pentagon, and whose account of where he saw the plane is at odds with the other three, short of the aircraft involved being an F-16. He also drew two different flight paths, even though he was in no position to draw anything more than an "X" indicating the location the plane was when he saw it..

You're reaching again. His account is crystal clear. It was headed right for the North side of the Citgo. It crossed over to the North side of Columbia Pike.

Do you honestly think your witnesses wouldn't be torn to shreds in a court of law, Lyte?

Nope. You think we are worried? Didn't you know there were other genuine people out there? Like other officers? That plane was ont he North side of the Citgo and I guarantee there are plenty of other witnesses who will confirm this.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The roof collapsed at 9:57 so in less than 19 minutes after a major catastrophe of these proportions after he barely escaped death we're supposed to believe that Lloyd figured he'd better hurry up and try removing the pole himself!

Even if it wasn't a major world wide catastrophe would ANY ONE OF YOU attempt to remove a big long heavy light pole that was lodged in your car within minutes after a major accident?

See... this is where you part ways with reality it seems.

First, as was pointed, what you or I would do in his is situation is completely irrelevent.

Second, if you honestly believe that leaving the pole where it was is what the vast majority of the public would expect, then it has to make you wonder why the alleged planners would script its removal. Do you believe that they are just that out of touch with the expectations of the general public? If you do, then how can you simultaneously claim that they knew perfectly how the witnesses in the area would react to the alleged explosion+flyover illusion?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Can we also point out that Lyte was offered a change to see the actual car and declined or is that to much to Add. DA. is there something wrong with people who ignore the physical evidence?

 

[boloboffin]

 

[HyJinX]

I think Lyte's motivation is to surpass the REALISTICE thread.

Here are some cats...because it's more interesting a topic:

 

[Disbelief]

[qimg]http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/boloboffin2/911/EnglandTaxiDamage.jpg[/qimg]

That's a light source, whether the sun or artificial.

Lyte, I will get back to you later to answer your incomplete reply to me and the preposterous idea that you are winning any kind of debate.

 

[Lyte Trip]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/boloboffin2/911/EnglandTaxiDamage.jpg

Nice.

Those are private photos Lloyd's wife took. She pulled them out during our interview with Lloyd.

We took pictures of it with a digital camera. That is the flash from the digital camera.

Here is Pickering's version of the same photo from his camera. No Flash.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I think Lyte's motivation is to surpass the REALISTICE thread.

Here are some cats...because it's more interesting a topic:

Moderators, can we stop all the meaningless cat pictures now? They have nothing to do with the thead and seem to work as way to "cleverly" insult us.

 

[apathoid]

Oh you mean the video they released AFTER Aldo spoke with Robert and posted the findings? That video?

Yes, that video. Is the video mistaken?

Ur silly. He was refering to the "impact" being obscured by Rt 27.

Yes, the bridge-mound is a part of route 27. It's also not in line with the north flight path. However, its perfectly in line with the official flight path.

Please. Him instinctively moving up the forwarf pump is not proof of anything. He remembered part way through the interview.

I'd let that slide if he didn't majorly botch the locations of the downed poles and the cab as well.

How do you know he didn't see the cab there?

Because that's not where it was in any of the known photos of it, Lyte.

You're reaching again. His account is crystal clear. It was headed right for the North side of the Citgo. It crossed over to the North side of Columbia Pike.

I suppose one of his drawings can be said to support the north flight path, while the other can be said to support the south flight path. Again, neither is reliable because Ed was in no position to actually see anything more than a glimpse of the plane. How can he(you) say it was headed for the Citgo station when he couldn't see the citgo station?

Nope. You think we are worried? Didn't you know there were other genuine people out there? Like other officers? That plane was ont he North side of the Citgo and I guarantee there are plenty of other witnesses who will confirm this.

I'd be impressed if you can find anymore north witnesses. Meanwhile, why not take your evidence to a lawyer and get an opinion. Personally, I think you'd be laughed out of the office - but you shouldn't let a littlle humiliation stop you if you do, in fact, think you possess evidence of mass murder.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Can we also point out that Lyte was offered a change to see the actual car and declined or is that to much to Add. DA. is there something wrong with people who ignore the physical evidence?

The car was supposedly 90 miles away and we simply did not have the time.

We had Lloyd's full account and private images of the car on 9/12/2001.

What's odd is that Russell had fully believed from previous conversations with Lloyd that the car was at his house so we all expected to be able to examine it.

This turned out not to be the case and we did not have time for a road trip to "the country".

Why don't you go in your backyard and burn some aluminum to prove the light poles wouldn't have damaged the hood?

 

[boloboffin]

Nice.

Those are private photos Lloyd's wife took. She pulled them out during our interview with Lloyd.

We took pictures of it with a digital camera. That is the flash from the digital camera.

Here is Pickering's version of the same photo from his camera. No Flash.

[qimg]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/264d28fb.jpg[/qimg]

Part of what I'm talking about is still in that photo.

So as I understand you, the planners of 9/11 faked the taxi damage, but not well enough to fool you, so they went back to the drawing board and then faked FDR evidence that proves conclusively that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. That is what you think happened?