*split* Lyte's proof that the Lloyd England's experience is false

[Undesired Walrus]

Lyte. I would like you to explain the

physical impossibility

of Lloyd England's claim. I would like you explain the proof that the plane did not rip off a lampost and fly it through his window. Where is this proof?

Now, take a look at this. This deer has been knocked straight through the window. Is a lot bigger than a lampost. Travelling at less momentum (so it stands to reason it could bump on the hood before the window), and it still does not scratch the front of the car. By your logic, you claim that this must have been planted, given it's "physical impossibility". Where is your evidence? Where is your proof?

Have you spoken to Lloyd England and told him his story 'makes no sense'? Would you have the guts too?

You speak of "smoking guns" Lyte, but Lloyd England is your smoking gun for proof the plane travelled over his head and into the pentagon. So, if his statement is true, you are 100% wrong. Explain how his statement is false.

 

[Anti-sophist]

Explain how his statement is false.

Lloyd's account must be false because it doesn't agree with Lyte's conclusion. Since Lyte knows his conclusion is true, Lloyd's account must be false.

That was easy.

 

[njslim]

Geez they have a hunting season using automobiles? Most places I've
been restrict you to rifles or shotguns. What is the bag limit? Bucks only
or does too?

 

[HyJinX]

You need to use a motorcyle for does.

 

[T.A.M.]

My question is what caused the roof to cave in on this auto. If the deer went through the window, what fell on top of the SUV to cave the roof down so?

TAM

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

My question is what caused the roof to cave in on this auto. If the deer went through the window, what fell on top of the SUV to cave the roof down so?

Someone call Judy Wood!

 

[Piggy]

My question is what caused the roof to cave in on this auto. If the deer went through the window, what fell on top of the SUV to cave the roof down so?

The sleigh! Duh!

Geez, what DO they teach folks these days?!

 

[Lyte Trip]

Is this a joke against yourselves or is this thread a gift to me for all the hard work and attention I have given this forum?


If you think apples to oranges is bad you are literally trying to compare a car hitting this:

To the force of a close to 100 ton 757 at over 500 mph hitting this:

But your analogy STILL proves my point perfectly!

Clearly the relatively tiny lengthwise deer significantly and visibly damaged the hood of that car while completely destroying the roof.

The deer probably made a desperate leap into the air before getting hit.

Nevertheless there is obvious and serious damage to the exterior of the vehicle that hit the deer while the exterior of Lloyd's car remained in perfect condition without so much as a single scratch!

Now remember when discussing Lloyd's account we have all the details direct from him so there is no need to assume anything.

He claims a 757 caused a more than 200lb 30 foot long pole to spear his windshield and that he ended up stopping his car sideways on the road with much HEAVIER end of the pole still sticking out of the windshield of the car over the hood.

The fact that this is what he says happened is not up for debate as this is Lloyd's account that we have obtained first hand and what he has claimed since day one.

Here is the light pole and cab:

Here is Lloyd's own illustration of how the pole ended up:

And of course the undamaged hood:

Remember........he SPECIFICALLY says that the curved TOP part of the pole was hidden in the back seat and that the much HEAVIER base end of the pole was sticking out of the windshield over the hood!

Since the pole is over 30 feet long and it is less than 10 feet from the windshield to the back seat of the car this means that at least 2/3's of the heavier end of the pole would have to be sticking out over the hood.

Sooooooo...

Drum roll please!

The physics of a see-saw most certainly does prove perfectly why his account is impossible.

The heavier end of a see-saw will always be on the ground unless the fulcrum is not in the center but CLOSER to the heavy end like this:

But Lloyd describes the complete opposite scenario where the fulcrum is closer to the much LIGHTER end!

In that case we know for a fact because of physics and gravity that the heavier end of the pole would be resting on the hood.

Now I know that this was too complicated for you guys to understand the first time around so you chose to make fun of the extremely rough graphic I made to illustrate the point. But of course the point was then and remains today 100% valid and is a simple irrefutable fact of physics.

Such a claim could only laughed at by the ignorant who prefer to obfuscate and ridicule the facts in an obvious attempt to avoid the truth.

 

[T.A.M.]

The sleigh! Duh!

Geez, what DO they teach folks these days?!

OMG...you owe me a new LCD monitor, as you just made me spray my current one with Diet Coke (TM).

TAM

Lyte:

Nice cartoon...I know it is about the "See-Saw" but you cant ignore the Phallic imagery it presents...lol

TAM

 

[Lyte Trip]

Oh and just in case you guys forgot the facts.......here is the data:

Video of interview with Lloyd we conducted at his house:

Lloyd interview


Here is an audio file of our pre-interview with Lloyd in his living room:

Listen to pre-interview here

Here are the dimensions of the same style light pole:

And here is a video of me physically examining the poles during my tour of the VDOT:

Light pole physical examination video

 

[Lyte Trip]

Nice cartoon...I know it is about the "See-Saw" but you cant ignore the Phallic imagery it presents...lol

That's aaaalllllll you bro as there was nothing like that anywhere near my thoughts!








Creepy.

 

[T.A.M.]

I didnt say you thought of it, I am merely saying, when you look at the image, out of context, it is hard to ignore the "not so subtle" subtext to the cartoon (or would that be sub-imagery).

Relax.

TAM

 

[Bobert]

He doesnt pick up on much TAM, its okay.
He doesnt even know that you are female displayed by his bro comment.

 

[tsig]

You need to use a motorcyle for does.

best tactic is to lay it down and take out the legs.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

And yet once again we see why discussing, much less debating, with CTers is a futile time-waster. Show them to be wrong, prove to them they're mistaken on any number of points, even helpfully attempt to guide them through the process of scientific reasoning and critical thinking, and you find it's like talking to a cow. It stares at you, but goes right on chewing its cud, oblivious.

The subject of the pole in the car has been discussed elsewhere ad-nauseum. And Lyte Trip has given no ground, even when shown to be as wrong as the day is long. Since he is wedded to his "inside job" beliefs, nothing will change.

Moo.

 

[Lyte Trip]

And yet once again we see why discussing, much less debating, with CTers is a futile time-waster. Show them to be wrong, prove to them they're mistaken on any number of points, even helpfully attempt to guide them through the process of scientific reasoning and critical thinking, and you find it's like talking to a cow.

I didn't start this thread.

So what about this statement do you disagree with?

The heavier end of a see-saw will always be on the ground unless the fulcrum is not in the center but CLOSER to the heavy end like this:

But Lloyd describes the complete opposite scenario where the fulcrum is closer to the much LIGHTER end!

In that case we know for a fact because of physics and gravity that the heavier end of the pole would be resting on the hood.

 

[T.A.M.]

He doesnt pick up on much TAM, its okay.
He doesnt even know that you are female displayed by his bro comment.

SOrry Bob...I am a guy.

The Artistic Macrophage...lol

TAM

 

[Bobert]

Well if you think about it most of the LCF crowd could care about him, his partner has been banned at LCF, Dylan and Louder then words are probably suing over his vid (hence you can no longer pre-order Researchers Edition), and harldy anyone visits him at the ATS forum.
His 15 minutes are up.

 

[Bobert]

SOrry Bob...I am a guy.

The Artistic Macrophage...lol

TAM

Holy Moly I have egg on my face...I am sooo sorry!
I dont remember exactly what it was but somewhere along the way I thought you were female.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I didnt say you thought of it, I am merely saying, when you look at the image, out of context, it is hard to ignore the "not so subtle" subtext to the cartoon (or would that be sub-imagery).

Relax.

Sorry I didn't see it.