Gravy
Downsitting Citizen
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Sorry. See Mythbusters episode 16.
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Mashuna
Ovis ex Machina
Or as Woody Allen says,
ComsatAngel2017
Muse
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Ahh, Woody pinched that joke from "Castle Keep".
at last
well i can now put to bed the conspiracy theory that lc members or former members cannot be registered here.
I'm not here for a fight but i think so many things have been posted here about me that I should have the right to reply.
Firstly I love my children and do not push my own beliefs upon them but encourage them to think for themselves and never accept what they are told but to make up thier own minds based upon the evidence.
This is hard with a 9 y/o and a 14 y/o who have other more important (to them) issues other than 911 and the NWO.
I have never disscussed any of these issues with my kids and prefer to shield them from the reality of the state of the world they will inherit.
For you to decide they should be removed from their surviving parent is arrogant to say the least from mostly childless individuals.
As for the death threats....well that is a little dramatic but then again what is not a big drama on this forum?
enough for now, I have issues with both this and the LC forum (which i now no longer post) but the posters on this forum are without doubt the most hateful i have come across. No offence
well i can now put to bed the conspiracy theory that lc members or former members cannot be registered here.
I'm not here for a fight but i think so many things have been posted here about me that I should have the right to reply.
Firstly I love my children and do not push my own beliefs upon them but encourage them to think for themselves and never accept what they are told but to make up thier own minds based upon the evidence.
This is hard with a 9 y/o and a 14 y/o who have other more important (to them) issues other than 911 and the NWO.
I have never disscussed any of these issues with my kids and prefer to shield them from the reality of the state of the world they will inherit.
For you to decide they should be removed from their surviving parent is arrogant to say the least from mostly childless individuals.
As for the death threats....well that is a little dramatic but then again what is not a big drama on this forum?
enough for now, I have issues with both this and the LC forum (which i now no longer post) but the posters on this forum are without doubt the most hateful i have come across. No offence
Hate? link please.
Oliver
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Well, Jason - I remember it this way:
You talked about how you were happy that you lost your
wife to have more time with the "9/11 Truth".
Now this alone sounds pretty ugly if you try to slip into the
mind of a neutral person who doesn't care about debunkers
or 9/11 truther.
Someone in here asked the English social security if this is
problematic - but we still don't know if someone called the
social service on you - from this forum. Maybe it was Troy,
the guy who is no JREF'er because he was banned here
after the first 20 messages.
The next thing that happened was that you accused Gravy
who had nothing to do with all these things - and so you
threatened him without any motive beside that you think
he's a leader or something.
You missed that the one who started the whole CT-Subforum
talking about Loose Change was the Guy in this thread:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53102
The Thread-Starter was "Delphi_ote" - and he also had nothing
to do with the problems you had. Gravy joinded this thread some
weeks after it was posted.
Then you said you visited NY which also seems to be
exaggerated.
Let me assure you that no one in here wants you to die or
something - which is the big difference between here and
other CT-Fora. You may not like the Idea but the one person
who reported you, wasn't representing the rest of people
in here. This is a simple misunderstanding.
I also watched your and William Rodriguez's back - this way
I found out that the Emails to you and him were from a
person we both know. I asked you posing as Mrs. Wallace
to get the Email-headers to the Emails you got - and I
apologize for my subreptitious behaviour - I didn't know
if it could have been you who invented these Emails - at
this time.
So what's your point?
HyJinX
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It's very well documented in this thread. If you don't have anything intellectual to offer to this forum...you should go. You've set a tone with people with your "jump the gun" attitude and your inate ability to accuse without proof. I don't speak for anyone here but myself, but you've proven, through your posts, to be a very angry person without the ability to rationalize that anger with proof.
You're on my ignore list. Period. Nothing you have to offer is acceptable to me. Once you apologize to Mark Roberts for wrongful accusations...you don't exist here to me.
Take care. Get help.
tsig
a carbon based life-form
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Hateful people need love the most.
One day you ill find a pair of eyes looking at you
They will be yours looking in the mirror.
Stellafane
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Hi jackchit. I have two children, almost the same ages as yours (mine are 8 and 14). I have no interest in interfering with your family life, any more than I'd want you to interfere with mine. And I suspect that the vast majority of posters in this forum feel the same.
But as one father to another, do you really think that posting death threats on the internet against a specific individual is in the best interest of your children? You may think it's nothing worse than a "little dramatic," but people have every right to take it seriously. As you probably know, there have been more than enough examples of people following through on such threats that they cannot be simply shrugged off. Surely you can see how such actions could ultimately impact your ability to care for your children? I don't mean to lecture you on how to be a good father -- we must all struggle to do our best with whatever cards we've been dealt -- but can we agree that such behavior just isn't constructive or healthy?
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So it was you acting as a member of the wallace family for me to forward the offending e-mails, I can understand why you did it but you can now confirm that I was not making them up, also I accept your apology.
I know more than most that this stuff can get out of hand and as you tried to expose me as a liar you can now confirm that in your experience that i am not.
You need to call off the dogs demonising me.
slingblade
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That's always good to do. Cool.
Absolutely! I think you'll find that the JREF forums want to extend you that right, asking only that you take on a few responsibilities with it. They ask us all to take on those responsibilities, and when we break the rules, even the "cool kids" get reprimands.
Eh....not all of them, honest. We have good and bad apples here. It's the price of a free but responsible society.
Please remember that the CT sub-forum is just that: one of many avenues under the JREF banner. Believe it or not, there are lots of people on this forum who have never even looked at the CT sub. Not once. And there are some people who read/post only in the CT sub and never visit our other areas.
All I'm saying is that you don't even have to look hard to find jerks in every sub-forum we have. But it is really worth it to look for the great people we have here as well.
There is a lot more I can say, but I'll just end here by welcoming you. I think everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves. I'm glad you took it. I really hope we find out you're a good but misunderstood person. Because I hope that about everyone...
Mr. Skinny
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As the father of three myself, I think you probably misspoke when you made the comments you did about your ex-wifes death. What would your children think if they read that kind of talk in regard to their mother?
On the surface it seemed insensitive, and may not have represented what you really meant to say. However, you said it, and posted it on a forum for everyone (including your kids) to see.
Regarding the threat to Mark Roberts, I think you were totally out of line and should apologize, as he had nothing to do with the entire matter.
You over-reacted to what you thought was a threat to you and your children when someone mentioned calling social services, but that person was not Mark Roberts.
I'll be much more inclined to listen to what you have to say if you can be man enough to apologize to Gravy.
On the surface it seemed insensitive, and may not have represented what you really meant to say. However, you said it, and posted it on a forum for everyone (including your kids) to see.
Regarding the threat to Mark Roberts, I think you were totally out of line and should apologize, as he had nothing to do with the entire matter.
You over-reacted to what you thought was a threat to you and your children when someone mentioned calling social services, but that person was not Mark Roberts.
I'll be much more inclined to listen to what you have to say if you can be man enough to apologize to Gravy.
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So gravy was not the person who made the call to social services and for me to make the comments i did was out of line (they were not death threats) but if they were taken that way then i will be the bigger man and apologise.
Anyone with kids will realise i was upset that my parenting was questioned since one of my children is not even my biological child i thought that the encounter was crass and as a result made a play for the figurehead of this forum.
My comments were misplaced and foolhardy with hindsight.
Anyone with kids will realise i was upset that my parenting was questioned since one of my children is not even my biological child i thought that the encounter was crass and as a result made a play for the figurehead of this forum.
My comments were misplaced and foolhardy with hindsight.
Oliver
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At this time I did not know if you're playing the "attention wh*re"
or saying the truth. So I tried to get the Email headers with the
IP of the guy who sent these emails. That's why I asked you this
way - I weren't sure if you would gave me the Emails if I would
have said that it was me, Oliver.
I made it clear that you had nothing to do with these Emails and
I started a Thread at SLC where the responsible person confessed.
So yes - it wasn't your fault.
Nevertheless - the hate campaign against each other is nothing
that I would support and I also hate misunderstandings. If you
think that people at JREF are the scum of the world, you're
simply wrong. People in the CT-Subforum understand the events
different to you, that's all.
I hope that there will be a dialogue between both sides of the
story and I also hope that we can find the truth together with-
out any immature beef. Russel Pickering was a good example
about how to take the High-Road and I still hope that my
friend Jarroyo, which has a different opinion about 9/11 then
me, will start to post in here after signing in.
So open your mind, Jason - no one in here is about to defend
the real perpetrators of 9/11. You just may not see this right
now.
Cheers,
Oliver
Oliver
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I will.
@Dogs: Calm down - ask (PM) me if you feel angry about
something concerning this issue.
jhunter1163
beer-swilling semiliterate
This is quite encouraging. Jack has proven to be man enough to apologize, and I'm sure Mark will be man enough to accept. Hopefully now we can all shake hands and come out debating.
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