432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

[ReligionStudent]

I don't see a rifle. There is absolutely no reason to see that thing as a rifle unless one wishes for rifles. When I see a picture like that, drawn in an age when stone axes were known to exist, and there exists not even the slightest whit of physical evidence for the mechanical, metallurgical or chemical skills needed to make a rifle, and not even the slightest whit of evidence that rifles, bullets, or the tools used to make them existed (while abundant evidence of stone tools remains), I would think it many many times more likely to be a stone axe than a rifle, especially since it looks more like a stone axe than like a rifle. That picture constitutes zero evidence of rifles.

There is no evidence this is a rifle. I also think having to say that the bent elbow looks like how you would hold a rifle shows no proof. It also looks like he might be doing the robot, but you don't say that.

 

[Paul]

You should know that the twain are fundamentally different. One line is finite, the other is infinitely long, hence it can only be confined by the sides of the engraved line, not its ends.

Well, isn't that a remarkably handy addition to your rules of achieving a predefined goal.

Let's not insult reality.

OK, you first.

I don't like personal attacks, which is what you have stooped to earlier.

Your aversion to personal attacks is ably demonstarated by your posts:

Were you drunk when writing this rubbish

You must be ten times as arrogant

Jonny, check the fork in your tongue

The above is a good illustration of your dishonesty in debating

being authoritative is too big a suit for you to wear

Of course, your lack of numeracy would preclude you from seeing it

while I should worry about the men-in-black, he has to worry about the men-in-white

albeit in a rude and incompetent manner.

 

[bruto]

Your absence was ten times longer than mine. You must be ten times as arrogant. Oh, such a burden to bear, brutal bruto.

I was not referring to your absence, and your remark is a total non sequitur.

Thinking further about that "rifle" picture, I think the thing looks more like the kind of ray guns used in the old Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon movies. Perhaps you should revise your interpretation. If the ancients, despite having no known system of writing or notation, no record of having counted, enumerated or otherwise calculated anything at all, no evidence of having been familiar with any kind of metal, and having left no artifacts that even remotely suggest the technology involved in tools beyond those made of stone, were capable of making a rifle, why not presume that they were capable of making a rocket ship and shooting death rays?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

What have random lines, the pyramids and a vegan diet got to do with 432?

DJJ please come back and reveal ALL!

 

[Athyrio]

What have random lines, the pyramids and a vegan diet got to do with 432?

DJJ please come back and reveal ALL!

Yes, this was the DJJ thread that started it all. I have not been that interested in it since his understudy took over playing the lead role.

 

[Jiri]

Robot - Rifleman

There is no evidence this is a rifle. I also think having to say that the bent elbow looks like how you would hold a rifle shows no proof. It also looks like he might be doing the robot, but you don't say that.

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Very nice suggestion - robot - it is duly noted.
It's not how you would hold the rifle, it's that the actual rifle is shown. It's a pretty good picture of a rifleman, the artistic technique conveying this message is sophisticated. I wonder if Lwoff had omitted some finer lines in his "dancer" interpretation, which would enhance the rifle greatly.
Doing the robot is part of the gunman's highly confident pose.

 

[Jiri]

Yay out of date reference!

Plato, Archimedes, Aristoteles, Pythagoras, Darwin, Curie-Sklodowska, Bohr, Einstein, Yay out of date reference!

 

[Jiri]

Yes, this was the DJJ thread that started it all. I have not been that interested in it since his understudy took over playing the lead role.

And then there were three on the sound proofed tree

 

[Paul]

It's a pretty good picture of a rifleman, the artistic technique conveying this message is sophisticated.

If it's a sophisticated image of a rifleman, why is he wearing a pair of MC Hammer's old trousers and a welding mask, pointing at his crotch, and waving a baguette?

I wonder if Lwoff had omitted some finer lines in his "dancer" interpretation, which would enhance the rifle greatly.

You could always change the rules to include lines I think should be there but aren't.

Doing the robot is part of the gunman's highly confident pose.

This must be some new definition of confident I am not aware of; perhaps involving Johnny Bravo.

 

[Paul]

And then there were three on the sound proofed tree

Björn; willkommen, bienvenue, welcome, c'mon in.

 

[Jiri]

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I have highlighted your minor imperfection for you, do you have any reason why we should take you seriously if you continue to misrepresent your work in this way?

When highlighting a thin line with a thick one like in this case, one should center the thick line on the thin one. What you have done is move the center of the line further away from the engraved line. In other words, your method is deceptive, and equals cheating.
Had you centered your thick line on the thin line, it would cover up the daylight between itself and the engraved line completely, in effect smoothing it out. Then you just magnify what happens at lifesize, keeping the line thickness and the pen thickness proportional.

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No, I think it's a dishonest attempt to force your preconceived ideas onto an inappropriate subject.
Note the obvious second line, laying parallel to d, which you have either deliberately or incompetently used to obtain your desired results.

Boy, that's serious paranoia, since that line (parallel to d) was not used in anything presented here. Go back to your tree.
You did remind me though that I have so far not pointed out to everyone here how three tips, plus the center of the 5-pointed Pyrostar generated from the Square fall upon edges of engraved lines. Such tidbits of information would unquestionably help in reconstructing the engraved lines from the plan (system).
At the same time we get a glimpse of the artists' control over accuracy below the limits of unaided eye vision.

 

[Jiri]

Please, eat the nuts

Reports have reached me that my monkey has been throwing peanuts at the audience. My monkey swears that out of pure altruism, it had been feeding the audience BRAINFOOD! - virtual nuts of wisdom containing high percentages of vitamin E, and other goodies necessary for the audience's proper cogitation

 

[wollery]

Jiri, your humour is almost as good as your scientific abilities.

 

[ReligionStudent]

Plato, Archimedes, Aristoteles, Pythagoras, Darwin, Curie-Sklodowska, Bohr, Einstein, Yay out of date reference!

Darwin- whom we have moved beyond greatly, with things like genetics.
Pythagoras- who could barely get the square route of 2 down
Einstein - who did not believe in quantum physics

You need to updat your source. ANd I would suggest not redoing any of Curie's work first hand.

 

[ReligionStudent]

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Very nice suggestion - robot - it is duly noted.
It's not how you would hold the rifle, it's that the actual rifle is shown. It's a pretty good picture of a rifleman, the artistic technique conveying this message is sophisticated. I wonder if Lwoff had omitted some finer lines in his "dancer" interpretation, which would enhance the rifle greatly.
Doing the robot is part of the gunman's highly confident pose.

If it were that sophisticated, there would be no questions about what it was representational of.

 

[Belz...]

I don't see a rifle. There is absolutely no reason to see that thing as a rifle unless one wishes for rifles. When I see a picture like that, drawn in an age when stone axes were known to exist, and there exists not even the slightest whit of physical evidence for the mechanical, metallurgical or chemical skills needed to make a rifle, and not even the slightest whit of evidence that rifles, bullets, or the tools used to make them existed (while abundant evidence of stone tools remains), I would think it many many times more likely to be a stone axe than a rifle, especially since it looks more like a stone axe than like a rifle. That picture constitutes zero evidence of rifles.

Plus, you'd expect people with higher technologies to actually be able to draw STRAIGHT LINES.

 

[Belz...]

Plato, Archimedes, Aristoteles

Morons.

 

[Paul]

OK, one more time for the hard of understanding.

When highlighting a thin line with a thick one like in this case, one should center the thick line on the thin one. What you have done is move the center of the line further away from the engraved line.

Here is a picture, it is a picture that you posted, with only the magnification and the colours changed:

The purple line is b, the black is the engraved line and the blue is the space between them, can you see it now? I have neither moved the line nor have I thickened it, if this is an indication of the accuracy and integrity you are capable of, you will get nowhere.

In other words, your method is deceptive, and equals cheating.

Only if you are dishonest enough to call an accurate representation of your own work deceptive.

Had you centered your thick line on the thin line, it would cover up the daylight between itself and the engraved line completely, in effect smoothing it out.

Why would I want to make my line thicker than yours?

Boy, that's serious paranoia, since that line (parallel to d) was not used in anything presented here. Go back to your tree.

Again, your own work recoloured:

Which of the two separate engraved lines are you proposing to use, and in what way is your current line an accurate representation of either?

Such tidbits of information would unquestionably help in reconstructing the engraved lines from the plan (system).

You cannot legitimately reconstruct the image just because you think there should be more; it is not a drawing, the marks are incised into the rock and you cannot decide that some of them have mysteriously disappeared while others have not.

At the same time we get a glimpse of the artists' control over accuracy below the limits of unaided eye vision.

How do you propose a man chipping rock with primitive tools in poor light can be accurate to a degree greater than he himself can see?

 

[SomeGuy]

Morons.

Man I didn't know the ancient Greek believe in the latter day saints crap and polygamy.... ohhh wait you said morons...

 

[JonnyFive]

sorry, but if possible, find a book published in 1919 by Alfred McCaan - the Science of Eating. He was a biochemist working as a prosecutor in federal lawsuits against giant food companies. He never lost a case. The read is just hilarious, and it was a heavensent I found just days after going veggie. The cruiser Kaiser Wilhelm case is just unbelievable. It had to pull into the Boston harbour on account of utter lack of able bodied men aboard..

Maybe my question was unclear, I'll try to rephrase it.

Do you have any actual studies designed to evaluate the health benefits of a nutrionally balanced vegan/vegetarian diet versus a nutrionally balanced diet that includes meat? I don't really care about some guy's book from the early 20th century, I'm more interested in a rigorous study of the comparable effects of the two diets.

Although I'm not professionally qualified to speak as an expert on this, I would wager that the main reason why vegetarian diets tend to be healthier is that they include a low amount of cholesterol and saturated fats, while the diets of many people that eat meat are often higher in those particular nasties. Moreover, speaking purely from personal experience, it seems that many of the people that choose to eat a vegetarian diet are doing so, at least in part, for health-related reasons, and so tend to be more health-conscious than the average person.

Obviously, that general trend will result in a healthy lifestyle, but it isn't lack of meat per se causing it so much as a generally healthy diet and lifestyle.

From what I've read, the problems confronting those choosing a vegan or vegetarian diet are different from those eating meat, but there are still potential problems. For example, I have read that one of the main problems with a non-meat diet is getting adequate protein, as well as certain amino acids found primarily in animal tissue. Obviously these issues can be dealt with through nutritional planning, but so can the higher fat and cholesterol intake that plague those of us who choose to keep eating meat.

This is all rather beside the point, though. Are you really saying that the picture shows a rifle, or are you joking?