Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

[Little 10 Toes]

I presumed, Little 10 Toes, that since you have taken a keen interest in my ideas that you might want to get into a little practical occult.

Please provide proof the occult exists.

And since the world of the occult is the realm of the shaman,.

Please provide proof.

the safest and most easy way to experience their reality is with LSD..

Please provide proof.

Although they use many different alkaloids in their rituals, most are difficult to obtain and can cause horrific nausea.

Am not sure what the flashback thing is all about. Have never experienced it myself, or ever heard of anyone I know having flashbacks, so I guess it is a case of "stop it or you will go blind" tactics.

If you are worried about the legal problems you could go on one of the many Ayahuasca tours to South America instead.
Could be very cathartic for you.

I have NO INTEREST in your mistruths let alone "keen". I have called you on your story twice and have asked you to clarify what you " claimed " has happened. You are now dodging questions and changing subjects like I change my kid's pull-up diaper. At least I know when I change my kid pull-ups, it only has 3 holes and has more content in it than your stories. (Which either shows how often you change your subjects or how bad a father I am, but we'll let public opinion work out the details)

(Yes, this may seem harsh, and I apolize to those who are offended by my post and my mispellings, but I'm getting tired of Buzz's escapaides into new and uncharted territory every few messages he posts. Like many people here, I would love to say, "what's your claim, prove it or move it" but we're not in the correct forum for that. We are still waiting for Buzz to make his claim eventhough he said that he did not have one and now he does. I'm still waiting to find out what is claim is.)

Also Buzz, funny how you proficy the world will end with the moving of it's plates, yet you believe a snake formed AU.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Buzz lightyear, as you have recently experienced, other subfora adhere to stricter rules. It is only by the grace of the mod team - and by my track record, I hope - that I get away with editing your posts and run the epilogue counter.

Of course, if you would choose to make a coherent claim or respond to sensible inquiries in a meaningful matter, I'd immediately bench the counter.

However, you have had at least half a dozen possibilities to do so where you chose to evade, derail, mislead or simply spout more unsubstantiated claims. This was why this thread got moved in the first place.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Gzuz, your ability to continuously breach forum membership and posting rules is only further confirmation that JREF is a fraud.
They are only to quick to edit my posts to give the impression that there is no opposition to The Athiest comments, but you can spam and edit my posts with immunity.

As for the " challenge '', the breach of protocol by JREF in the Carina Landin claim is a clasic case of breach of contract.
Normally compensation would be applicable in a case where one party had failed to perform.
Even though Carina "failed" she kept her bargain, JREF cheated.
To date no talk of compensation has arisen, but on a million dollar contract 5% is the usual figure.

So for an organisation that wants to be seen as taking the moral high ground, JREF has demonstrated to me over the last couple of months that my original assesment of them is correct.

If in the off chance James Randi is truly interested in the occult I am more than willing to share anything I know with him.
But it will be on my terms and free of charge.

 

[The Atheist]

Lookit that naughty bubba throwing its toys out of its cot!

I detect a little "challenge envy" around these parts.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Gzuz, your ability to continuously breach forum membership and posting rules is only further confirmation that JREF is a fraud.
They are only to quick to edit my posts to give the impression that there is no opposition to The Athiest comments, but you can spam and edit my posts with immunity.

As for the " challenge '', the breach of protocol by JREF in the Carina Landin claim is a clasic case of breach of contract.
Normally compensation would be applicable in a case where one party had failed to perform.
Even though Carina "failed" she kept her bargain, JREF cheated.
To date no talk of compensation has arisen, but on a million dollar contract 5% is the usual figure.

So for an organisation that wants to be seen as taking the moral high ground, JREF has demonstrated to me over the last couple of months that my original assesment of them is correct.

If in the off chance James Randi is truly interested in the occult I am more than willing to share anything I know with him.
But it will be on my terms and free of charge.

Logic à la buzz lightyear.

Please e-mail Mr. Randi with your "offer" and post the exchange here. randi@randi.org

Technically, you could spark Mr. Randi's interest by applying for the JREF Challenge and demonstrating your claim. I sincerely doubt he is interested in your "theories", but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Logic à la buzz lightyear.
Technically, you could spark Mr. Randi's interest by applying for the JREF Challenge and demonstrating your claim. I sincerely doubt he is interested in your "theories", but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

Technically I couldn't be bothered, Gzuz.

But since I have made good use of the JREF forum and I liked his little dig at the pope, I thought it only polite to make the offer.

 

[buzz lightyear]

I have NO INTEREST in your mistruths let alone "keen".
.

If this is the case Little 10 Toes, what would be the purpose of a response?

 

[Belz...]

Gzuz, your ability to continuously breach forum membership and posting rules is only further confirmation that JREF is a fraud.

You'll be leaving, then ?

They are only to quick to edit my posts to give the impression that there is no opposition to The Athiest comments, but you can spam and edit my posts with immunity.

That's "impunity", and you happen to be wrong. On everything.

As for the " challenge '', the breach of protocol by JREF in the Carina Landin claim is a clasic case of breach of contract.

<giggle>

Normally compensation would be applicable in a case where one party had failed to perform.

HA! Where's your challenge application, Buzz ?

Even though Carina "failed" she kept her bargain, JREF cheated.

Oh this is going to be good. How so ?

So for an organisation that wants to be seen as taking the moral high ground, JREF has demonstrated to me over the last couple of months that my original assesment of them is correct.

Confirmation bias.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Technically I couldn't be bothered, Gzuz.

But since I have made good use of the JREF forum and I liked his little dig at the pope, I thought it only polite to make the offer.

So, you did e-mail your "offer" to Mr. Randi? Pleeeeease post the transcript here. Pretty, pretty please.

 

[The Atheist]

Technically I couldn't be bothered, Gzuz.

But since I have made good use of the JREF forum ....

Well, that's just a stright-out admission of trolling.

What was the point, Buzz? That's all I'd like to know.

Are you so bereft of fun in your life that you troll forum sites?

This is the bit I find most amusing. Early on, I thought you had a bit of a sense of humour and that you weren't completely stupid - after all, you can connect to the internet and type stuff, you can tie silly ideas together, I'd see you as being quite capable of working in some reasonable job. I place people in jobs for a living, Buzz, and I see people with lower English and comprehension skills than yours in quite good jobs, living reasonably normal lives and enjoying themselves without having to resort to trolling internet forums.

You could easily have come in here and enjoyed being a member for a long time, possibly even gaining a bit of respect along the way. It might have even helped your own self-respect.

Now, what do you have?

A bunch of people to whom you've dropped from being just another deluded bloke, to being a derisory example of the human race at its lowest denominator - a walking thing devoid of any redeeming features. An advert for intelligent design, even; people questioning Darwin on the basis that something so wilfully ignorant and downright stoopid could be the result of 4 or 5 billion years of evolution. If that was your ideal - to get people to think that - then you've succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.

Buzz, it hasn't been nice knowing you, it's been just tedious, in the end.

Au revoir, mon chere.

Thus endeth The Atheist's correspondence with buzz lightyear. Try as I might, I cannot find a single reason to continue to acknowledge its presence.

 

[buzz lightyear]

What was the point, Buzz? That's all I'd like to know.

Since you asked, Athiest ;

I posted on this forum to put my ideas before a critical audience, particularly people with geological knowledge.
To this end the exercise has been most successful.

Unfortunately along the way I encountered egotistical idiots such a yourself, and halfwit morons such as your sidekick Gzuz.

To deal with your stupidity I spun a bit of humour. I have found that it is the best way of dealing with fools.

 

[Paul]

To deal with your stupidity I spun a bit of humour. I have found that it is the best way of dealing with fools.

That's funny, we usually call them Buzz and humour them for a while.

 

[Tricky]

Since you asked, Athiest ;

I posted on this forum to put my ideas before a critical audience, particularly people with geological knowledge.
To this end the exercise has been most successful.

As one of those with a modicum of "geological knowledge", I'd like to see in what way it has been a success. What have you learned about geology and how the science works? Have you discovered anything about depositional models? Do you recognize any of the processes that lead to geomorphological features? Do you understand how fossilization works?

If you do actually understand any of this, then have you abandoned or at least considered shelving your "rock-eating serpent" model of petrogenesis until some supporting data can be discovered?

I'm glad you have a sense of humor. I consider it essential to enjoying life. But alone, it is not enough to gain knowledge. For that, you need critical thinking skills as well. I hope that this exercise has helped you foster some of that. I wish I could see evidence that it had.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Gzuz, your ability to continuously breach forum membership and posting rules is only further confirmation that JREF is a fraud.
They are only to quick to edit my posts to give the impression that there is no opposition to The Athiest comments, but you can spam and edit my posts with immunity.

As for the " challenge '', the breach of protocol by JREF in the Carina Landin claim is a clasic case of breach of contract.
Normally compensation would be applicable in a case where one party had failed to perform.
Even though Carina "failed" she kept her bargain, JREF cheated.
To date no talk of compensation has arisen, but on a million dollar contract 5% is the usual figure.

Yes, the test was not carried out as designed so the results are being called into question. In my opinion, Carina gets another try with the test. She will not be compensated since the the test was not conducted properly. Why do you think she should get money? How did JREF cheat?

Also, they have told you the reason why the messages were edited and you get to see when the editing happened!!!

So for an organisation that wants to be seen as taking the moral high ground, JREF has demonstrated to me over the last couple of months that my original assesment of them is correct.

If in the off chance James Randi is truly interested in the occult I am more than willing to share anything I know with him.
But it will be on my terms and free of charge.

We will see how the JREF responds to the test that was not handled properly. Depending on their response, I will assume that they will take the higher ground.

If this is the case Little 10 Toes, what would be the purpose of a response?

To clarify where I stand on your misconceptions. Speaking of which, why haven't you responded to my questions on how you could talk to the wrong guy about pyramids?

Since you asked, Athiest ;

I posted on this forum to put my ideas before a critical audience, particularly people with geological knowledge.
To this end the exercise has been most successful.

Well, so far, if your results were to get science based explanations, they everything went according to plan. You had two qualified experts IMHO who gave you vaild opinions, yet you remain unmoved from your winged slug idea. What was your end?

Unfortunately along the way I encountered egotistical idiots such a yourself, and halfwit morons such as your sidekick Gzuz.

How do you know that The Athiest is not Gzuz'z sidekick?

To deal with your stupidity I spun a bit of humour. I have found that it is the best way of dealing with fools.

Right back at you.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Since you asked, Athiest ;

I posted on this forum to put my ideas before a critical audience, particularly people with geological knowledge.
To this end the exercise has been most successful.

Unfortunately along the way I encountered egotistical idiots such a yourself, and halfwit morons such as your sidekick Gzuz.

To deal with your stupidity I spun a bit of humour. I have found that it is the best way of dealing with fools.

Name calling, further evasion. Still no coherent claim or sensible response to inquiries. Life in the buzz lane.

 

[buzz lightyear]

As one of those with a modicum of "geological knowledge", I'd like to see in what way it has been a success. I'm glad you have a sense of humor. I consider it essential to enjoying life. But alone, it is not enough to gain knowledge. For that, you need critical thinking skills as well. I hope that this exercise has helped you foster some of that. I wish I could see evidence that it had.

The success, Tricky, came from answering a problem that I had struggled with for many years.
I had oftern wondered why learned men with high levels of geoligical knowledge had not queried the origins of the sandstone formations, particuarly the polygons.

The answer surfaced when Soapy Sam commented on these pics.





His initial reaction was that they looked very much like pillow lava. Which is exactly the case .
The shape of the "pillows" have the characteristics of material that has solidified from a thick viscous substance, not the result of weathering.

Unfortunatly he then applied "critical thinking" and since the formations were believed to be sandstone, he had to dismiss this idea in favour of a "known".

It is this belief in "dogma", whether it is scientific, religious, or cultural that traps us in a cage of belief systems, unable to see what is actually around us.

Fortunatly there is hope, it comes in the form of "lateral thinking".
If we can learn to think outside the "box" of the known and trust our instincts and intuition the possibilities are endless.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

The success, Tricky, came from answering a problem that I had struggled with for many years.
I had oftern wondered why learned men with high levels of geoligical knowledge had not queried the origins of the sandstone formations, particuarly the polygons.

The answer surfaced when Soapy Sam commented on these pics.

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His initial reaction was that they looked very much like pillow lava. Which is exactly the case .
The shape of the "pillows" have the characteristics of material that has solidified from a thick viscous substance, not the result of weathering.

Unfortunatly he then applied "critical thinking" and since the formations were believed to be sandstone, he had to dismiss this idea in favour of a "known".

It is this belief in "dogma", whether it is scientific, religious, or cultural that traps us in a cage of belief systems, unable to see what is actually around us.

Fortunatly there is hope, it comes in the form of "lateral thinking".
If we can learn to think outside the "box" of the known and trust our instincts and intuition the possibilities are endless.

Because there are appx 20 pages of messages, please direct me to the post where Soapy Sam used his "critical thinking".

Sometimes instincts can be wrong as well as dogma. With science, to my understanding, when there are additional facts, the beliefs can and do change.

Why haven't you responded to my Egyptian questions?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Follow-up to the "instincts can be wrong" thing I mentioned, great sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov thought that computers would get bigger and bigger in size. He wrote a story about a computer that filled a galaxy. We now have computers in our homes that are more powerful than computers 30 years ago that would have filled a office room. I think right there, his instinct is/was incorrect.

 

[Belz...]

His initial reaction was that they looked very much like pillow lava. Which is exactly the case .
The shape of the "pillows" have the characteristics of material that has solidified from a thick viscous substance, not the result of weathering.

Unfortunatly he then applied "critical thinking" and since the formations were believed to be sandstone, he had to dismiss this idea in favour of a "known".

Yes, damn those scientists and their blasted Occam's Razor. Damn them all to hell. To hell with their logic, reason and unwillingness to consider the ridiculous.

Get in line. Maybe you should speak to Lightcreatedlife@hom. He's got great ridiculous ideas, too.

It is this belief in "dogma", whether it is scientific, religious, or cultural that traps us in a cage of belief systems, unable to see what is actually around us.

Fortunatly there is hope, it comes in the form of "lateral thinking".
If we can learn to think outside the "box" of the known and trust our instincts and intuition the possibilities are endless.

Ah, yes. How convenient to cry "DOGMA" when you can't prove your hare-brained ideas. Real scientists don't have this problem when a real-life, previously unknown and controversial idea arises. If it's true, it WILL be known.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Because there are appx 20 pages of messages, please direct me to the post where Soapy Sam used his "critical thinking".
Sometimes instincts can be wrong as well as dogma. With science, to my understanding, when there are additional facts, the beliefs can and do change.
Why haven't you responded to my Egyptian questions?

This is the post where Soapy Sam discusses the formations, Little 10 Toes.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2498205#post2498205

As to Your Egyptian question ;

When I interact with entities in the "outworlds" I am in a deep trance.
The events that happen are remembered like those that occur when you dream, they are difficult to recall.
And since human entities are not my main target I try to steer away from them.

The only reason the Egyptian connection stands out, is that, whoever I contacted had a good knowledge of Egyptian chants. Untill this episode I had never used any thing other than just sounds and English. But during this session I found myself constantly drifting into using "Anum Ra".

In the days after the session, I was drawn to Egyptian artifacts and particularly heiroglyphs. My interest in this form of writing was so stimulated that I studied how to read it.

So whether it was Imhotep or Jack the Ripper, I do not know. But the history books have Imhotep as being one of the smartest dudes of his time, so I will take a punt on it being him.