On Experiencing Jim Fetzer

[Hokulele]

I have supplied a photo indicating that on the westside highway, it was only one layer deep. Yes, the steel box columns were only 18" thick, or whatever. Yes, if they were stacked perfectly, you could fit a lot of them in a small height.

But they would not stack perfectly. The evidence for the north wall of WTC1 is even more compelling. At least with the west wall, we have something. Other than the part left standing, we have almost none of the north wall at all.

Anyway, go ahead.

Well, you did provide a photo, but how does it indicate that the steel is only one level deep? Can you see a reference to the ground below the steel or any other reliable baseline? Can you tell how tall the "level" is at this point? Sure you can stack a lot of 18" columns in a fairly short stack, but we need to know how tall the stack is before determining the number of columns.

 

[pomeroo]

I have supplied a photo indicating that on the westside highway, it was only one layer deep. Yes, the steel box columns were only 18" thick, or whatever. Yes, if they were stacked perfectly, you could fit a lot of them in a small height.

But they would not stack perfectly. The evidence for the north wall of WTC1 is even more compelling. At least with the west wall, we have something. Other than the part left standing, we have almost none of the north wall at all.

Anyway, go ahead.

You know, Ace, I was just thinkin'--why did the Congress and the military sign off on the development of a weapon that can't be used for military purposes. It's downright odd that a futuristic weapon, more powerful than anything that will exist on Earth for decades, was developed for no other purpose than to make money for Halliburton. Well, I mean, it seems odd to me...

 

[ConspiRaider]

Better to take over the whole world, establish the prison planet, then perhaps let the slaves understand some of the now-ancient technology that had such an important role in enslaving them.

Has anyone preserved this gem for the Stundies? Be a bit of a sin if no one did. It fits all categories:

1. It's paranoid.
2. It's stupid.
3. It ducks in a reference to that fool Alex Jones.
4. Undertones of a jones for dominatrixing (mentions "slave" twice).

Bakester: They need you on Madagascar for fossil hunting. Please leave. Go to the Atlantis bus station and ask for a transfer. Your bigfoot guides will take you to Your Leader. Happy Hunting.

 

[T.A.M.]

You know, Ace, I was just thinkin'--why did the Congress and the military sign off on the development of a weapon that can't be used for military purposes. It's downright odd that a futuristic weapon, more powerful than anything that will exist on Earth for decades, was developed for no other purpose than to make money for Halliburton. Well, I mean, it seems odd to me...

They want to use it to cut into the polar ice caps, so they can cause an advance in global warming, that will result in taking out the east coast of the USA, but also all of the middle east, and most of Europe...

Weren't you at the last NWO Projects Committee meeting?

TAM

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Well, you did provide a photo, but how does it indicate that the steel is only one level deep? Can you see a reference to the ground below the steel or any other reliable baseline? Can you tell how tall the "level" is at this point? Sure you can stack a lot of 18" columns in a fairly short stack, but we need to know how tall the stack is before determining the number of columns.

There are several people standing in this photo, and the steel columns come up to about mid-shin.

 

[Hokulele]

There are several people standing in this photo, and the steel columns come up to about mid-shin.

OK, so you are saying that the steel you see in the top layer of this photo is resting directly on the ground. In the background of this image, you can see several buildings as well as heavy machinery. Do they look like they are below the elevation where the people are standing, at the same elevation, or higher?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

You know, Ace, I was just thinkin'--why did the Congress and the military sign off on the development of a weapon that can't be used for military purposes. It's downright odd that a futuristic weapon, more powerful than anything that will exist on Earth for decades, was developed for no other purpose than to make money for Halliburton. Well, I mean, it seems odd to me...

Who said anything about Congress? We are talking black ops. Since when has your Constitution been obeyed? Remember when Cheney announced that 2 1/2 trillion dollars was "missing"? Wasn't that Sept. 10, 2001?

This missing money was on-budget, and missing. Also consider that the executive branch of the U.S. government, with it's partner-in-crime the Federal Reserve, can simply print dollars and spend them.

Who says they are not using energy weapons in Iraq right now? Would you like to see a video of a laser weapon taking out a target?

 

[T.A.M.]

well how high is the sky bridge over to the top right?

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

I already own all three star wars movies, so I have seen plenty of "lasers". Thanks.

TAM

 

[Hokulele]

well how high is the sky bridge over to the top right?

TAM

Hey! You are giving away the surprise ending.

 

[apathoid]

Who says they are not using energy weapons in Iraq right now? Would you like to see a video of a laser weapon taking out a target?

I'd love to see one.

 

[Apollo20]

Hi Ace:

Please don't accuse me of dodging one of your questions!

How do you know that I am dodging it?

Could this simply be an assumption on your part?

It takes a while to figure out what was going on,

CHEMICAL WISE in the rubble pile.

And in the fire-zones in the towers before they collapsed.

There is nothing "sinister" about the blue smoke.

Why don't you tell us what you think it is....

 

[JamesB]

Who said anything about Congress? We are talking black ops. Since when has your Constitution been obeyed? Remember when Cheney announced that 2 1/2 trillion dollars was "missing"? Wasn't that Sept. 10, 2001?

This missing money was on-budget, and missing. Also consider that the executive branch of the U.S. government, with it's partner-in-crime the Federal Reserve, can simply print dollars and spend them.

Who says they are not using energy weapons in Iraq right now? Would you like to see a video of a laser weapon taking out a target?

Dude, I think you set a record for the most truther urban legends in one post.

Cheney did not say the money was missing in the sense that it had been stolen. He was referring to Pentagon IT systems which could not track previous transactions. The budget for the Pentagon was only $300 billion a year at the time, so it is not like that happened just that year.

The fed does not print money BTW, the treasury does. The fed cannot secretly change money supply, it does this through the very public FOMC process.

 

[rwguinn]

Estimating volume by visual guesstimation is extremely unreliable. I wasn't kidding about the jellybean jar. Did your method of estimation involve anything more than "It looks like about 20%"?


First you must show evidence that only 20% of the steel remained above ground.

Here's the problem:
The troofers, and MM and Ace in particular, believe that the outside walls wer of SOLID STEEL. No glass, no aluminum. STEEL.
So, yes--that steel is missing!

 

[chipmunk stew]

What I am trying to learn is which process is taking place:

1) Assumption -> Hear fact -> ZIP!
2) Assumption -> Hear fact -> Understand fact -> ZIP!
3) Assumption -> Hear fact -> Understand fact -> See conclusion -> ZIP!
4) . . .

OK, Hokulele, I'll play.

Let's focus on the west wall of WTC1...
[demonstration of process described below follows]

4) ZIP! -> Assumption -> Assumption -> Assumption -> Assumption -> He*ZIP!*ct -> Assumption -> etc.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Hi Ace:

Please don't accuse me of dodging one of your questions!

How do you know that I am dodging it?

Could this simply be an assumption on your part?

It takes a while to figure out what was going on,

CHEMICAL WISE in the rubble pile.

And in the fire-zones in the towers before they collapsed.

There is nothing "sinister" about the blue smoke.

Why don't you tell us what you think it is....

I know you're dodging it because you haven't answered it.

I don't know chemistry beyond a high school level, and I certainly appreciate your obvious brilliance as a chemical and nuclear engineer. I don't know what materials could be fueling bluish-white smoke, or the black smoke in the office fires. By themselves, I don't find anything sinister either. I'm sure there are all sorts of things that burn all sorts of colors.

Here is what is sinister. First, I believe it is generally true that, other things being equal, darker smoke indicates less oxygen. We observe that the fires in all three of the buildings made dark, thick, black smoke. Then the "fires" in the rubble made bluish white "smoke". Surely the fires in the rubble could not have had more oxygen than the office fires.

How could the fuel mixture change so dramatically, yet so consistantly across all three rubble areas? What was burning so black in the buildings? Where did it go? What was burning so white in the rubble? How did it get there? It certainly seems as though this transformation was immediate.

So, for the sixth time, Frank. Yes, in and of themselves, perhaps white smoke is nothing to worry about. Please consider the context I have given, and given me your expert opinion on how the fuel mixture could have changed so suddenly, yet so consistantly. Thank you.

 

[Corsair 115]

First, nobody said the power supply is space-based.

Wait a minute... if the power supply is ground-based, but the weapon is space-based, then how the heck did the power get from the ground station to the orbiting weapon? Transmission wires are obviously out of the question.

Or do you postulate a ground-based weapon station? In which case, it couldn't have been located too far away or else it would not have had a line-of-sight to the WTC buildings.

 

[ConspiRaider]

I don't know chemistry beyond a high school level, and I certainly appreciate your obvious brilliance as a chemical and nuclear engineer.

Bakester: This is blatant fawning over one particular person on the JREF forum. What are the rest of us: CHOPPED LIVER?!?

Take me for example. My job requires precision, perseverance, attention to detail and a very wet mouth.

That's right. I have the enviable job at the soup factory of licking soup flavor labels and sticking them on the cream of mushroom.

I have an 83 and a third accuracy rate. In round numbers, 5 out of 6 cans that make it onto the supermarket shelf still have the label attached. Can you imagine? What if the whole world displayed such awesome precision? Correct. Baseball games would never end. But then we wouldn't have any time left to knock each other off either, right? See? Faultless logic. You should try it.

 

[pomeroo]

Who said anything about Congress? We are talking black ops. Since when has your Constitution been obeyed? Remember when Cheney announced that 2 1/2 trillion dollars was "missing"? Wasn't that Sept. 10, 2001?

This missing money was on-budget, and missing. Also consider that the executive branch of the U.S. government, with it's partner-in-crime the Federal Reserve, can simply print dollars and spend them.


Who says they are not using energy weapons in Iraq right now? Would you like to see a video of a laser weapon taking out a target?

Pssst, Ace. I want to let you in on a secret. Fetzer was lying. There is no "missing" 2.3 TRILLION dollars. Nobody thinks there is. You wanna know how I know this. Shhh, don't let anybody hear us. I read the speech that Rumsfeld gave on September 10, 2001--you know, the one in which he complains that Pentagon data storage systems are so antiquated that it's hard to keep track of $2.3 trillion in transactions over the years. This is the speech that Fetzer grotesquely distorted so that he could pretend that the money is somehow missing.

Just between us, Ace, you have to be a horse's ass of monumental proportions not to have read the speech for yourself. The "missing" amount is eight times the Defense budget for 2001. That's the clue that Fetzer was pulling our legs.


EVERYBODY says that "they" are not using laser weapons in Iraq. You're totally mad, remember?

 

[gumboot]

Here is what is sinister. First, I believe it is generally true that, other things being equal, darker smoke indicates less oxygen.

Therein lies your problem.

It is not true at all. Smoke colour is not an indicator of oxygen levels or temperature. It's a myth.

-Gumboot