New World Order (NWO)

[Civilized Worm]

I'm more worried about the Blue World Order.

 

[Checkmite]

There is no New World Order. It is all false anti-government rebel propaganda. Lies!

 

[Bobert]

You 2 are on my list!

 

[JimBenArm]

You 2 are on my list!

Is my kiss on your list, too?

 

[qwrty]

NWO may not be able to 'RULE' the world directly, but I'dd bet they can generally steer the direction in which it moves. (EG CEOs don't micromanage companies, but they decide the BIG PICTURE policies)

I believe NWO is VERY capable of shaping the world, just not intervening in our personal lives.

 

[gumboot]

In some ways the NWO is actually genuine...

That is, many CTers who talk of the NWO talk of global government. The world certainly is progressing in this direction, with greater cooperation between various nations, large regional organisations, and international organisations (EU, UN, APEC, INTERPOL, World Court, G8, ASEAN, NATO, WHO, WTO, and so on...).

This is indeed a new world order, it's just not a New World Order^TM.

CTers seem to think all of this international cooperation is a conspiracy to rule the world. Most people see it a natural progression of a more global fluid community.

-Gumboot

 

[ref]

CTers seem to think all of this international cooperation is a conspiracy to rule the world. Most people see it a natural progression of a more global fluid community.

-Gumboot

Exactly Gumboot. That pretty much sums it up in two sentences.

 

[ref]

The European Union was fore-ordained by the NWO? IIRC, the EU was preceded by the EEC (Europen Economic Community), which was preceded by the Common Market. The French vetoed British membership of the Common Market, which seems a bit odd if the NWO wants a faceless monolithic entity serving it's wants. The Common Market itself sprang from Benelux - an unholy collaboration of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg - back in the 50's. Now, none of that could have happened if the Spanish Netherlands hadn't successfully resisted the onslaught of Spanish armies in the 16th Century and in so doing created both Belgium and the Netherlands.
So.
The NWO was around in the 1550's with it's world dominance plan for the next 500 years?
Yeah right.

You think the CTs think that far back in time? No way.

 

[eddyk]

How did people like Alex Jones etc. come to the conclusion that Owls, Pentagons, pyramids, eyes, Stars etc. are symbols of the NWO?
Even said dragons were a symbol of the NWO when he was in the UK.

 

[ref]

Didn't Herbert Hoover use the term "New World Order"?

Not sure about Hoover using that term, but here are the Presidents that have used this term from the OP link I posted:

1967 -- Richard Nixon calls for New World Order. In Asia after Vietnam, in the October issue of Foreign Affairs, Nixon writes of nations' dispositions to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a "new world order."

1972 -- President Nixon visits China. In his toast to Chinese Premier Chou En-lai, former CFR member and now President, Richard Nixon, expresses "the hope that each of us has to build a new world order."

December 7, 1988 -- In an address to the U.N., Mikhail Gorbachev calls for mutual consensus: "World progress is only possible through a search for universal human consensus as we move forward to a new world order."

September 11, 1990 -- President Bush calls the Gulf War an opportunity for the New World Order. In an address to Congress entitled Toward a New World Order, Mr. Bush says:

"The crisis in the Persian Gulf offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a new world order can emerge in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony....Today the new world is struggling to be born."

October 1, 1990 -- In a U.N. address, President Bush speaks of the:

"...collective strength of the world community expressed by the U.N...an historic movement towards a new world order...a new partnership of nations...a time when humankind came into its own...to bring about a revolution of the spirit and the mind and begin a journey into a...new age."

1991 -- President Bush praises the New World Order in a State of Union Message:

"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea -- a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based on shared principles and the rule of law....The illumination of a thousand points of light....The winds of change are with us now."

February 6, 1991 -- President Bush tells the Economic Club of New York:

"My vision of a new world order foresees a United Nations with a revitalized peacekeeping function."

October 30, 1991: -- President Gorbachev at the Middle East Peace Talks in Madrid states:

"We are beginning to see practical support. And this is a very significant sign of the movement towards a new era, a new age...We see both in our country and elsewhere...ghosts of the old thinking...When we rid ourselves of their presence, we will be better able to move toward a new world order...relying on the relevant mechanisms of the United Nations."

On December 31, 1991 Gorbachev declares that the New World Order would be ushered in by the Gulf Crisis.

1995, sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation located at the Presidio in San Francisco. Foundation President Jim Garrison chairs the meeting of who's-whos from around the world including Margaret Thatcher, Maurice Strong, George Bush, Mikhail Gorbachev and others. Conversation centered around the oneness of mankind and the coming global government. However, the term "global governance" is now used in place of "new world order" since the latter has become a political liability, being a lightning rod for opponents of global government.

These are only from that one link, so there might be others.

But according to these it seems, that Nixon used the term at least on a couple of occasions. After that it was pretty much a tie between George Bush and Russian president Mikhail Gorbachev exchanging New World Order statements.

And all those statements talk about consensus, co-operation, partnership, peace, etc. What an evil secret society that is. Oops, I forgot. Alex Jones says they are so arrogant, that they lay all their plans out there in the open. If this is their evil plan, I guess I must fear the partnership and co-operation between the countries then.

 

[Checkmite]

Indeed; to read their words, it seems that to them a "new world order" is something that doesn't exist yet.

 

[The Silver Shadow]

The New World Order in the 1990's could've been in the context of the world after the fall of the Soviet Union...

 

[gumboot]

How did people like Alex Jones etc. come to the conclusion that Owls, Pentagons, pyramids, eyes, Stars etc. are symbols of the NWO?
Even said dragons were a symbol of the NWO when he was in the UK.

As far as I can tell CTers identify symbols associated with various things they think are part of the NWO, and then make retroactive claims that these symbols are Illuminati symbols.

For example, some CTers point to the reoccurances of 13 on US Government imagery and claim 13 is an important ancient illuminati number. Of course the 13 is actually a reference to the 13 original states... but never mind.

-Gumboot

 

[Hellbound]

Gumboot,

And just why do you think were 13 original states, hmmm?



A lot of it is symbol misrepresentation as well. I saw this in high school with the big Satanism scare that went around...where any symbol that wasn't Xian of some sort was a supposed Satanic symbol (like the Egyptian Ankh, several Greek letters, and others). While some people may use a symbol other than for it's intended meaning (or may use similar but distinct symbols, like the Navaho(?) symbol for luck and the Swastika), that doesn't mean that all uses are the same.

You see a lot of places where the popular perception of a symbol overtakes the actual meaning, and then is applied retroactively.

 

[HeyLeroy]

For once I wasn't being silly with my reference to ZOG earlier in this thread.

The "NWO" is the new "ZOG", just in a more politically-correct package:

Zionist Occupation Government or ZOG is an antisemitic conspiracy theory alleging that certain governments are surreptitiously controlled by Jews and or that modern day Jews are not the true descendants of the ancient Israelites .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

I remember reading that during the Ruby Ridge^WP standoff, several federal agents had "ZOG" ballcaps made up at their own expense to provoke the Weavers, who were white-separatists.

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

- actually "Zog" was the King of pre-WW2 Albania.

"You see a lot of places where the popular perception of a symbol overtakes the actual meaning, and then is applied retroactively"

True. I've had an Indian friend try to explain that the apparent swastika symbol on their wedding invitation is *not* a Nazi symbol. Ref, who is Finnish IIRC, can probably relate about the Finnish armed forces emblem during WW2, which looked like an inverted 3D swastika (it has a name, which escapes me). Nothing to do with National Socialism as far as I know, but it's use didn't outlive WW2.

 

[Civilized Worm]

Indeed; to read their words, it seems that to them a "new world order" is something that doesn't exist yet.

Exactly. People have been talking about wanting to create a "New World Order" for a long time, but the fact that the still talk about wanting it just shows that it doesn't exist. It's like the hovercar.

 

[Mobyseven]

- actually "Zog" was the King of pre-WW2 Albania.

"You see a lot of places where the popular perception of a symbol overtakes the actual meaning, and then is applied retroactively"

True. I've had an Indian friend try to explain that the apparent swastika symbol on their wedding invitation is *not* a Nazi symbol. Ref, who is Finnish IIRC, can probably relate about the Finnish armed forces emblem during WW2, which looked like an inverted 3D swastika (it has a name, which escapes me). Nothing to do with National Socialism as far as I know, but it's use didn't outlive WW2.

Ever been to Japan?

The symbol that marks a Buddhist temple's location on a map is commonly a swastika-like symbol (but not tilted on an angle). There are flags flying from temples with this symbol on it. From my flawed memory, it might mean 'peace', or something similarly innocuous...?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Exactly. People have been talking about wanting to create a "New World Order" for a long time, but the fact that the still talk about wanting it just shows that it doesn't exist. It's like the hovercar.

Speaking of which, I'm STILL mad. When I was a kid, I was PROMISED that by the 21st century we would have air cars. Where's mine? Now THERE'S a conspiracy that someone should investigate - this callous and calculated scheme to keep us from buzzing cattle herds in our own private air transport.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

I seriously want to make up an "Official New World Order Shill" T-shirt...all with an eye-in-a-pyramid and stuff. Great to chuckle at all the odd looks you get.

Steve Jackson Games even developed a whole marketing strategy behind this.