432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

[ReligionStudent]

...or have the ability to shoot fire out of your mouth.

Actually with enough everclear I have seen that done.

 

[Jiri]

Self-propelled levers and 70 ton counterweights

So the idea of his "ancients" measuring to within 1 year accurately (remember: Osiris numbers require 25,920 to factor out!) is ludicrous.

Unless, of course, they had some previously undiscovered means of precise measure. I would assume that Jiri has proof of that, if he is going to continue to make the claim. Of course, he will be showing us that evidence any moment now.

They also say that an arc second is subtended by a dime at the distance of one mile. Hmm, what's the fault in leveling the Great Pyramid over the 230 meters side?
Thanks for clearing up the issue of how hard it is to make astronomical observations without instruments
The Cone & Square formation happens to produce a lot of such unforced exactitudes, or co-ordination between elements of both figures, where you have to keep magnifying your CAD image in order to see some light between elements. There are lots of millionths, and hundred-millionths, and so on in the play. You've got CAD like everybody else here, no?

OOps, I was going to say something about Self-propelled levers and 70 ton counterweights, so here.
I was rather surprised that the nice show by Wally W. in moving big blocks of concrete was novel to all experts and engineers out there since it really was just a basic looking application of what you can do with moving the fulcrum of a lever, when you are moving that leveritself. Going up. you use the block itself as a lever, as well.
How does this help in moving blocks in the countryside? It could be done. What you need is a long block (Stonehenge type) and you can waddle it over flat terrain. You need two support teams to move your fulcra, blocks weighing up to a ton with rounded top, but the big stone sphere of Costarica might be even better for that purpose!
Say you are moving an obelisk about 20 meters long. It travels broadside forward on two pivot points (stones) spread a certain distance apart. Once the block is balanced, it takes a child to swing it forward until it rests on the pivot, which was just pulled forward by one of the support teams. There is another support team on each side, which removes and adds the weights on each respective end. The old support point now becomes the equilibrium point, and the little girl swings the huge block forward to the new support point, which has just been pulled forward.
Actually, I hate to say it, but this waddling of the blocks might conceivably be used to solve the conundrum of the Block Shuffle technique atop the construction platform of the pyramid by Mr. Baldridge (if you have several hundred years for the whole construction).
Still, waddling blocks, and self-propelled levers are not exactly a pyramidologist's nightmare, nor are they a skeptic's dream.
Als to, J.P. Houdin's newest addition to the "How the Pyramid Had Been Built" genre - it fails to impress me. As an example, go to where the crews are switching directions of the sledges at a corner of the cartoon pyramid: How long does it take? Time is of the essence. Houdin has eight guys hauling a block looking to be at least a ton or two big, but even so they hardly fit the little big platform, before having to descend down the slope to be able to stll pulll. Going over the sides might actually be the best move with any bigger loads, because it would be the only move, unless you wanted to use levers, which should be even more time consuming, and damaging to the sledges' edges.
The counterweight using the Grand Gallery is also pooh poohable, but about that later.
Houdin doesn't even have his pullers in harnesses, but they hold the ropes over their shoulders (OUCH!).

 

[wollery]

They also say that an arc second is subtended by a dime at the distance of one mile.

Pretty close to that. Would you be able to see a dime at a distance of one mile without a telescope? Would you be able to measure its angular size? If you went away for a year and someone moved the dime a few centimetres would you be able to tell?

If your answers to the above questions are yes, then please enlighten us as to how.

Hmm, what's the fault in leveling the Great Pyramid over the 230 meters side?

I have no idea what you're asking. Why don't you just tell us what the fault (I assume you mean error) is and tell us why you think it's relevant.

Thanks for clearing up the issue of how hard it is to make astronomical observations without instruments

No problem. Of course, the Greeks and Egyptians did have basic instruments. The Egyptians seem to have been fairly uninterested in making any detailed measurements, but the Greeks were, and discovered all sorts of interesting things, including the precession of the equinox, but at very low levels of accuracy compared to the measurements we can make today.

The Cone & Square formation happens to produce a lot of such unforced exactitudes, or co-ordination between elements of both figures, where you have to keep magnifying your CAD image in order to see some light between elements. There are lots of millionths, and hundred-millionths, and so on in the play. You've got CAD like everybody else here, no?

What are you babbling about?
How does any of this follow from what you said above?
What does this have to do with astronomical measurements?
What does it have to do with your numbers?

 

[Jiri]

I thought I showed you George Markowsky is a charlatan.

 

[wollery]

Did you?

What relevance does that have to your numbers?

Why don't you answer any of the direct questions I put to you?

 

[Jorghnassen]

Did anybody mention Lost yet?

/432= 4 * 108, 4 is the first number, 108 is the sum of the numbers, it all makes sense!

 

[Jiri]

Well done. This line holder does extrapolate to (it forces) several straight lines. Both of us should produce the same lines based on this lineholder, else we'd have to be blind. Go ahead and show us how it is done, and that you now understand this part of the method.
Atta boy, Belz

And now it's YOUR turn. Lineholders, please.

Once you've seen one, you've seen 'em all.
Your call..

 

[Jiri]

The pyramid failed to do it job anyway, the pharaoh and his gold where still stolen. Even if it is impressive in size,

Paul

A coffer with no lid is just a big tub. The Pharaoh's tomb will never be oped.

put a skyscraper along side a pyramid and tell me which one is more functional, a pyramid is a great waste of material.

Waiting .................................... waiting
with just a millenium gone what would scrape skies is looking up at daisies, but the pyramid still looks brand new.

 

[Jiri]

Did you?

What relevance does that have to your numbers?

Why don't you answer any of the direct questions I put to you?

It has utmost relevance, when the question is what we see.
G.Markowsky does not see the Golden Rectangle, where I see how the four main lines of the Parthenon set one up perfectly.
The case is a beautiful illustration of mental blocks so typical for this Atlantis, etc., debate.

 

[wollery]

Once you've seen one, you've seen 'em all.
Your call..

A coffer with no lid is just a big tub. The Pharaoh's tomb will never be oped.

Waiting .................................... waiting
with just a millenium gone what would scrape skies is looking up at daisies, but the pyramid still looks brand new.

I see you've decided to ignore all the questions you're being asked in favour of just posting vague meaningless twaddle

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I try to not be too much of an a-hole when it comes to people's claims about education. I generally take them at their word, unless they display gross incompetence about something key to their diploma, or they're claiming to be 20 and have eight PhD's or something of the sort. Then it's "prove it" time.



Yes, that is pretty funny. I guess some people just need to lie to feel special about themselves. I think it's stupid beyond belief.

By the way, I'm a Para Delta SEAL in an Attack Force Marine One Alpha Team. We fly AF-9000 fighter-bomber jet helicopters into combat every day, then head home to our super model wives, million dollar yearly salaries, and 10,000 square foot mansions.

Honestly. Why would I lie to you?

"On the Internet no one knows you're a dog."

 

[Jiri]

Our digestive systems are adapted to an omnivorous diet, because our ancestors were nomadic opportunists.

Adapted is the right word, because the omnivorous diet will not kill you instantly, but it will limit your life expectancy compared to eating diet our digestive systems require.
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The biblical treatise on what to eat precludes pork, shellfish, insects and using the milk of a mother goat to boil it's own kid. None of these actually have any detrimental effect on Humans, so it's not exactly a correct supermodern dietary plan. In fact, it's nowhere near correct.

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The first leaf of Genesis contains God's instructions to humans on what to eat. Unfortunately, the moment people started eating meat coincides with the moment they lost their Paradise, the Garden of Eden.
Instructions on what meat to eat, or not to eat cannot come from God. Those words are an obvious addition to the O.T. contradicting God's decrees..

Are you a Paradise drop-out?

 

[Jiri]

432 & the Phi

how does the golden ratio relate to 432?

If you asked me, I would say that for instance: 432 degrees marked out on a 360 degree circle will allow you to proceed with the construction of the regular 5-pointed star, which is the only thing to incorporate the golden ratio naturally.

 

[Jiri]

People are not vegetarian by nature, all evidence points to meat playing a hugely important role in early human nutrition. Its funny how there is absolutely no evidence for your idea of "a bit of tinkering". More likely what you would see is useful work, such as making stone tools (a process which I ensure you can take ours for somthing like a bowl) And if you want to see adapted to nuts, you need to look to something like a robustus.
As for the bible being a memory of early life. Ha. That's it I can't dignify that idea at all.
And it certainly does not have a modern definition of what people should eat, for instance, cheeseburgers are good!

Yeah, balanced nutrition - an equilibrium between the good and bad. Cheesegurgers rule. Supersize me!

 

[wollery]

Adapted is the right word, because the omnivorous diet will not kill you instantly, but it will limit your life expectancy compared to eating diet our digestive systems require.

And where is your evidence to back up this assertion?

The first leaf of Genesis contains God's instructions to humans on what to eat. Unfortunately, the moment people started eating meat coincides with the moment they lost their Paradise, the Garden of Eden.
Instructions on what meat to eat, or not to eat cannot come from God. Those words are an obvious addition to the O.T. contradicting God's decrees..

Ah, so some of the bible is literal and inerrant, and some of it is obviously added by humans. And how exactly did you come to your conclusions about which words are God's and which aren't?

And while we're at it, I thought that eating a particular fruit was the moment they lost their paradise, and meat eating came after the expulsion from Eden.

Are you a Paradise drop-out?

I was under the impression that you believed us all to be paradise drop-outs. Or are you suggesting that some people still live in the garden of Eden?

 

[Jiri]

Sometimes (read always) they require at least basic credentials of real scholarship.

An I.D. should do then. Unless making the discovery does not count.

 

[Jiri]

And where is your evidence to back up this assertion?

Ah, so some of the bible is literal and inerrant, and some of it is obviously added by humans. And how exactly did you come to your conclusions about which words are God's and which aren't?

And while we're at it, I thought that eating a particular fruit was the moment they lost their paradise, and meat eating came after the expulsion from Eden.

The apple was fake soya made out of chopped pork liver and cursed by the Devil himself standing on a crumpled pentagram. After all, an apple a day keeps the doctor away, it is not laden with bad intelligence drugs.

I was under the impression that you believed us all to be paradise drop-outs. Or are you suggesting that some people still live in the garden of Eden?[/QUOTE]

It is supposed to be not far from Disneyland No?

 

[wollery]

Troll

 

[Jiri]

You are claiming that Stone Age artists had advanced mathematical knowledge that they embedded in a frame. You claim the following on your web page:

-The artists had advanced mathematical knowledge.

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Knowledge self-evident from the analysis

-The artists had advanced astronomical knowledge, at least equal to what we have now.
-The frame exhibits a special series of ratios that can only be found by dividing the proper lines in an non-intuitive way.

Non-intuitive? That is total slander against the Frame. The rest of your remarks are just as uninformed, or slanted.
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-You have some kind of advanced insight into the "meaning" of the frame, despite not having any kind of record of what the artists actually intended.

I hand you the record on a platter.

-You claim that 25,920 is the number of the years in the Zodiac, and this is somehow special.

It is special because Zodiac denotes one cycle of precession.

-The Great Pyramid is somehow related to the measure of the Northern Hemisphere.

Its perimeter was intended to be half a geograhical mile, or half an arc minute.

That the ancients calculated the precession of the Earth.

Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend wrote a study on it, and Stecchini had shown how Hipparchus had appropriated ancient knowledge stored at the library he was the head of, and misapplied it in his calculations, which accounts for his errors.

-That the frame had some innate function other than being a piece of art.

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And still demonstrably does.

You can try all you want to hide behind the claim of simply showing number relationships, but you make a number of claims that obviously go far beyond that. As the simplest possible example, you claim to have insight into what the artists were thinking and intending with the piece they created. Do you happen to have evidence of this?

Anyway, back to your numbers: Your claim about 25,920 being the number of years in the Zodiac and this having some inherent meaning is numerological in and of itself, as you are claiming hidden, secret, magical meaning to the number 25,920.

One false statement follows another in your would-be digest of my mis-steps. That's kinf of tiring to have to answer constantly.

 

[Jiri]

What are you babbling about?
How does any of this follow from what you said above?

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The talk was of accuracy. It was accuracy related.
If you aren't familiar with the design idea (Cone & Square), being authoritative is too big a suit for you to wear.

Those bubbles you saw were unit circles