Disingenuous "Be strong" and prayers

[Senex]

I've read today Simon Cowell is embattled and apologized for rolling his eyes when some jerk on his show said 'Be strong" to the people of Virginia Tech.

That aggravates me. You can watch 24/7 coverage of people making those types of statements on TV if that's what you wish. American Idol (I don't watch it often myself) has nothing to do with current events. It's inappropriate for someone about to have an audience who votes on his singing ability to play the mass murder card. Cowell appropriately rolled his eyes because that is wrong. Cowell was cowed when he backtracked. Did anyone on American Idol say anything about the 130+ Iraqi's who died the next day in car bombs? Did anyone notice no one on that show showed insensitivity by overlooking any other previous carnage? Has anyone used that forum to mention any sort of evil before?

In my local paper today was a picture of my mayor and his staff holding hands outside of City Hall praying for the students who died. I wanted to puke. Pray without the newspaper photo you pieces of crap. When the newspaper photographer is invited you are disingenouos in my book.

I toss and turn in my mind the terribleness of what happened as much at VT as anyone. I also have trouble trying to understand evil in other places in the world. I also believe you don't thrust your insencere ******** wherever it might help you. It just pisses me off when some people support some victims but not others for their own personal gain.

 

[darnell11]

Umm... Simon said that he didn't know what they guy was taking about because he was talking to Paula while the guy was making that comment. They played it back on the show, and Simon was referring to the guy's singing, not what he was saying about the shooting. Everyone thought he was being rude, but he didn't have a clue about what that guy was saying.

 

[Senex]

Umm... Simon said that he didn't know what they guy was taking about because he was talking to Paula while the guy was making that comment. They played it back on the show, and Simon was referring to the guy's singing, not what he was saying about the shooting. Everyone thought he was being rude, but he didn't have a clue about what that guy was saying.

That's what Simon has been cowed to say. He saw what just happened to Imus.

"I'm not politically incorrect. No need for me to lose my job!"

 

[Blackwell]

I've read today Simon Cowell is embattled and apologized for rolling his eyes when some jerk on his show said 'Be strong" to the people of Virginia Tech.

That aggravates me. You can watch 24/7 coverage of people making those types of statements on TV if that's what you wish. American Idol (I don't watch it often myself) has nothing to do with current events. It's inappropriate for someone about to have an audience who votes on his singing ability to play the mass murder card. Cowell appropriately rolled his eyes because that is wrong. Cowell was cowed when he backtracked. Did anyone on American Idol say anything about the 130+ Iraqi's who died the next day in car bombs? Did anyone notice no one on that show showed insensitivity by overlooking any other previous carnage? Has anyone used that forum to mention any sort of evil before?

In my local paper today was a picture of my mayor and his staff holding hands outside of City Hall praying for the students who died. I wanted to puke. Pray without the newspaper photo you pieces of crap. When the newspaper photographer is invited you are disingenouos in my book.

I toss and turn in my mind the terribleness of what happened as much at VT as anyone. I also have trouble trying to understand evil in other places in the world. I also believe you don't thrust your insencere ******** wherever it might help you. It just pisses me off when some people support some victims but not others for their own personal gain.

I tend to think that an American Idol contestant is probably being sincere in their well-wishing; politicians are thinking of the next vote. Neither are particularly appropriate.

 

[Moochie]

I've read today Simon Cowell is embattled and apologized for rolling his eyes when some jerk on his show said 'Be strong" to the people of Virginia Tech.

That aggravates me. You can watch 24/7 coverage of people making those types of statements on TV if that's what you wish. American Idol (I don't watch it often myself) has nothing to do with current events. It's inappropriate for someone about to have an audience who votes on his singing ability to play the mass murder card. Cowell appropriately rolled his eyes because that is wrong. Cowell was cowed when he backtracked. Did anyone on American Idol say anything about the 130+ Iraqi's who died the next day in car bombs? Did anyone notice no one on that show showed insensitivity by overlooking any other previous carnage? Has anyone used that forum to mention any sort of evil before?

In my local paper today was a picture of my mayor and his staff holding hands outside of City Hall praying for the students who died. I wanted to puke. Pray without the newspaper photo you pieces of crap. When the newspaper photographer is invited you are disingenouos in my book.

I toss and turn in my mind the terribleness of what happened as much at VT as anyone. I also have trouble trying to understand evil in other places in the world. I also believe you don't thrust your insencere ******** wherever it might help you. It just pisses me off when some people support some victims but not others for their own personal gain.

VT is a tragedy on many levels. Many people from all over feel the utter horror of it. Some of those people will use the occasion to reap brownie points.

It is how it is.

People in America need to look at that Second Amendment, IMO. Fewer guns in the hands of maniacs equals fewer deaths.

That's the tip of the iceberg -- and I say that deliberately, because the chill surrounding this event extends across the globe. Why?

Well, why did no one understand this person's (the young man who committed the atrocity) pain? Are we so inured to death and destruction that it no longer affects us?

Is this the sort of world we all want?

M.

 

[Senex]

That's the tip of the iceberg -- and I say that deliberately, because the chill surrounding this event extends across the globe. Why?

More people die in Darfur, Iraq/other places harder to spell everyday. Why do people in Australia care so much about this occasion?

Well, why did no one understand this person's (the young man who committed the atrocity) pain? Are we so inured to death and destruction that it no longer affects us?

People in America need to look at that Second Amendment, IMO. Fewer guns in the hands of maniacs equals fewer deaths.

Our constitution is my bible. Granted the part of the second amendment about bearing arms is like the religious people's part about who begat who (not my favorite part), but I don't want the government looking at an eccentric post I made on this site and throwing my ass in confinement. It's not easy to know what is in another's mind. It's easy to point a finger when bad things happened. I'm in favor of more gun control. I'm not in favor of messing with my constitution.

 

[SamanthaMc]

On American Idol last night, they showed Simon from the night before while Chris was talking about the VT incident. Simon was getting confirmation from Paula that Chris did indeed say that he sang his song "nasally" intentionally. He rolled his eyes and shook his head because he couldn't believe that Chris would actually do that on purpose. He did not even hear what Chris was saying about VT, and later on in the show that night, he himself mentioned the tragedy.

Chris mentioned VT because he has friends there and he is from Chesapeake.

 

[Senex]

On American Idol last night, they showed Simon from the night before while Chris was talking about the VT incident. Simon was getting confirmation from Paula that Chris did indeed say that he sang his song "nasally" intentionally. He rolled his eyes and shook his head because he couldn't believe that Chris would actually do that on purpose. He did not even hear what Chris was saying about VT, and later on in the show that night, he himself mentioned the tragedy.

Chris mentioned VT because he has friends there and he is from Chesapeake.

You drank the American Idol Kool Aid.

I'm a skeptic!

 

[Soapy Sam]

The koolaid sounds credible to me.
For the record, I have no idea who any of the people mentioned in this thread are, nor have I seen the relevant programmes, but I know that what you can hear at any given moment in a TV studio depends on which switch someone else pushes.

 

[Senex]

The koolaid sounds credible to me.
For the record, I have no idea who any of the people mentioned in this thread are, nor have I seen the relevant programmes, but I know that what you can hear at any given moment in a TV studio depends on which switch someone else pushes.

I need to switch to what beverage you are using

For the record, Kool Aid is a fine beverage -- but as a metaphor it is always a poison of the believers (even though it is undeserved).

 

[Moochie]

More people die in Darfur, Iraq/other places harder to spell everyday. Why do people in Australia care so much about this occasion?

I'm not sure that people here do care. All I can truthfully say is that I care.

We had such a tragedy happen here in 1996, and the aftermath saw already stringent gun laws tightened even further.

Since then, we've experienced the odd murder here and there, but nothing on the scale of 1996.

I put that down to how we regulate possession of guns.

I doubt if our attitude toward the mentally ill is any different to yours. We've had a number of occasions where mentally ill persons have been killed by police. Like America, we emptied our "crazies" out onto the streets some years ago -- economy in the guise of "humaneness."

If we are "advanced," and I say that tongue-in-cheek, it is because we have made it extremely difficult for people to obtain WMDs, i.e., guns.

I wish things were different. I wish people were educated to be sensitive to the likes of Cho. But the sad fact is that few care.

The few who feel deeply in the face of these atrocities, and I include all atrocities throughout the world, seem to be hopelessly outnumbered by those who who seem inured to these events. To most, VT is "tough excreta."

Our constitution is my bible.

Well, I would ask you to revisit that attitude.

Granted the part of the second amendment about bearing arms is like the religious people's part about who begat who (not my favorite part), but I don't want the government looking at an eccentric post I made on this site and throwing my ass in confinement.

I wonder if your attitude would be different if you were actually engaged in your political system -- especially if you, like us, had laws in place that mandated your attendance at a polling booth during elections.

It's not easy to know what is in another's mind. It's easy to point a finger when bad things happened. I'm in favor of more gun control. I'm not in favor of messing with my constitution.

The constitution appears to have been framed at a time when it made a lot of sense to have an armed populace. Does that still pertain? I think not.

I'll go out on a very tenuous limb here, and say that your political masters use this infatuation with the constitution against you, in that you are blinded to the real inequities in your society.

I saw a documentary about ENRON the other day, and it occurred to me that those pricks -- Skilling, Lay, et all, did far more damage to your society than the likes of Cho ever could.

What do you think about that?


M.

 

[Biff Starbuck]

BTW, the people at Jonestown reportedly drank poisoned Flavor Aid rather than Kool Aid.

And yes, I realize that Kool Aid is a generic term for that type of beverage and also that the standard line is "drank the Kool Aid." I just hate to see Kool Aid Man's reputation wrongly impugned

 

[Moochie]

BTW, the people at Jonestown reportedly drank poisoned Flavor Aid rather than Kool Aid.

And yes, I realize that Kool Aid is a generic term for that type of beverage and also that the standard line is "drank the Kool Aid." I just hate to see Kool Aid Man's reputation wrongly impugned

Thanks, Bill

M.

 

[Senex]

What do you think about that?

My buddy Moochie is ready to argue with me.

I'm not sure that people here do care. All I can truthfully say is that I care.

We had such a tragedy happen here in 1996, and the aftermath saw already stringent gun laws tightened even further.

Since then, we've experienced the odd murder here and there, but nothing on the scale of 1996.

I put that down to how we regulate possession of guns.

I doubt if our attitude toward the mentally ill is any different to yours. We've had a number of occasions where mentally ill persons have been killed by police. Like America, we emptied our "crazies" out onto the streets some years ago -- economy in the guise of "humaneness."

Well, the police don't routinelly kill the mentally ill on the street here -- but we weren't previously a penal colony (no offence).

If we are "advanced," and I say that tongue-in-cheek, it is because we have made it extremely difficult for people to obtain WMDs, i.e., guns.

I wish things were different. I wish people were educated to be sensitive to the likes of Cho. But the sad fact is that few care.

The few who feel deeply in the face of these atrocities, and I include all atrocities throughout the world, seem to be hopelessly outnumbered by those who who seem inured to these events. To most, VT is "tough excreta."

Well, I would ask you to revisit that attitude.

I wonder if your attitude would be different if you were actually engaged in your political system -- especially if you, like us, had laws in place that mandated your attendance at a polling booth during elections.

The constitution appears to have been framed at a time when it made a lot of sense to have an armed populace. Does that still pertain? I think not.

I always vote, do they shoot you in Australia if you don't vote? That sucks. Most of the people I know are unarmed. I'm not very engaged in my political system, but who are you to say I'm not?

I'll go out on a very tenuous limb here, and say that your political masters use this infatuation with the constitution against you, in that you are blinded to the real inequities in your society.

I'm American; I have no master (perhaps a mistress or two). I recognize an inequity when I see it you rascal.

I saw a documentary about ENRON the other day, and it occurred to me that those pricks -- Skilling, Lay, et all, did far more damage to your society than the likes of Cho ever could.

It's hard to compare evil.

I hope wer'e still friends,

Senex

 

[Totalgamefreak]

You drank the American Idol Kool Aid.

I'm a skeptic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhEQXqrCzzQ

2:40 into the video.

 

[Soapy Sam]

Hey, at the risk of a minor derail .
Is "Drinking the koolaid" actually a figure of speech in the States? It's not one I have come across, if so.

I fear my own beverage has been water and coffee these last two weeks. No booze where I am. Or Koolaid.

 

[darnell11]

Samantha and I are right, He had no clue what that guy was saying! They showed the clip when he was talking about the shootings and you could hear Simon talking to Paula and rolling his eyes about Chris's singing, not about what he was saying.
Senex-did you watch American Idol showing this?

 

[Senex]

Samantha and I are right, He had no clue what that guy was saying! They showed the clip when he was talking about the shootings and you could hear Simon talking to Paula and rolling his eyes about Chris's singing, not about what he was saying.
Senex-did you watch American Idol showing this?

Two things -- the first is this could be taken into the conspiracy thread. The most popular TV show of all time wouldn't use creative editing would it?

Second -- it doesn't make any difference about my point. What's wrong is wrong.

 

[darnell11]

Oh, you're saying this is a conspiracy? Okay, then it should be on the conspiracy section. But I don't think so, if you have seen the clip it's pretty clear Simon is talking about Chris's singing and not rolling his eyes about his comments. I don't see how they could have edited it to make it look that way.
I don't think it was wrong for Chris to make a comment on the shootings-He was upset about it and wanted to say something, how is that wrong? It wasn't political for him to mention it, in my opinion.

 

[darnell11]

But I admit I could be wrong about Simon-he could have heard what he said, or not. I'm just leaning towards not.