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Dan O. said:
Does ExtremeSkeptic make the claim that he can hear the difference?
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Yes, I have done all the blind test experiments and there are obvious differences if the audio system has high enough resolution to hear it. Like I said, if the system has 100 problems you aren't going to hear a difference with different dielectrics.

I can hear a night and day difference between 60 and 78 microns silver plating depth (interconnects) and single vs dual threads wound around the conductor (power cord). With worse dielectric it sounds harsh with a tiny soundstage. With air dielectric it sounds smooth with a huge soundstage.
 
Honestly, you're arguing about sound with sound engineers, electronics with electronics engineers, and both with musicians. But this is just too much.

As far as what electrons do in a conductor, you are clearly unaware that the speed of light is a foot per nanosecond- that's 5000 kilometers per cycle, if you're on 60 cycle (that's about the distance across the US). At 20kHz, the electrons have time to make it from your house to the primary substation, about 14km (10 miles). I'd say the average electron makes it from the power station to your house and back in a cycle without too much trouble. Welcome to the real world.

As for whether they actually do that or not, it's immaterial- electrons aren't like rocks, you can't tell one from another. They only have a handful of characteristics, and every one of them is exactly like every other, give or take its position and momentum.

Honestly, this may be the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say- and I've read what kleinman has to say until I put him on ignore. It's not magic, guy, it's electronics. Take up woodwinds before you start critiquing the orchestra.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
You know AC (Alternating Current)? It isn't a constant motion. You need to learn basic English:

It is impossible for something to be flowing, everything is vibrating. You need to learn how the Universe works.
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The only time there is no current flow in a closed AC is that the transition point when there is no voltage. Daaaaaaa Speakers do move in two directions because the audio signal is AC.

Also I didn't not write AC, I was talking about current flow, you should learn English.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
Yes, most of the signal travels outside of the conductor in the dielectric. It is simple logic which skeptics don't have because they have been brainwashed by the schools that teach flawed knowledge.

Anyone with experience in audio knows that dielectric makes a big difference. The surface of the conductor also needs to be polished to reduce distortion.
Skeptics think their distorted music sounds good because they haven't heard any better.
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BOGUS.

Once again my young friend, the dielectric does not make a big difference in audio that is snake oil. You are brainwashed by people selling you BS to sell you BS.

Paul

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On the flow of electrons in a wire, there are many more electrons in the wire than there are electrons needed to be in motion for current. The flow of electrons in slow, but the effect of electricity is a large fraction of the speed of light.

A point to show that if the speed of electricity was at a high percent of light. With lightning, the electrons travel at a high percentage of the speed of light and therefore have a very high inertia. So for one example, in amateur radio, we put a loop in the cable that is coming from the antenna. The loop is right before going into the house. If lightning hits the antenna and of course goes down the cable, the inertia of the electrons have a hard time making it thru the loop and most of the current will go thru the wire’s insulation to ground. Still some will make it into the house, but where the loop is there should be a grounding rod. So if electrons in electricity have a high speed they would be blowing out of wire all over the place.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
Yes, I have done all the blind test experiments and there are obvious differences if the audio system has high enough resolution to hear it. Like I said, if the system has 100 problems you aren't going to hear a difference with different dielectrics.

I can hear a night and day difference between 60 and 78 microns silver plating depth (interconnects) and single vs dual threads wound around the conductor (power cord). With worse dielectric it sounds harsh with a tiny soundstage. With air dielectric it sounds smooth with a huge soundstage.
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I have seen you so-called blind test, you just keep looking for something that was done until you find it, any one can do that daaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

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And no you can't hear the different between the 60 and 78 microns of silver and there are places you can be really tested and if you pass, you can go on to try for Randi's million u.s. dollars.
 
Paulhoff said:
I have seen you so-called blind test, you just keep looking for something that was done until you find it, any one can do that daaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

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And no you can't hear the different between the 60 and 78 microns of silver and there are places you can be really tested and if you pass, you can go on to try for Randi's million u.s. dollars.
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I don't want Randi's evil dollars. The difference between 60 and 78 microns silver plating is bigger than the difference between headphones. You should try it yourself instead of live in ignorance. Many skeptics have already been turned into believers from Nordost's silver plated cables. Skeptics like to ignore the proof.

It is weird that skeptics keep talking about Monster cables, all audiophiles laugh at those cables because they make the sound worse. Only Nordost is good enough, for me it's either stock cable or Nordost.
 
Paulhoff said:
And no you can't hear the different between the 60 and 78 microns of silver and there are places you can be really tested and if you pass, you can go on to try for Randi's million u.s. dollars.
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ExtremeSkeptic has made a claim and the claim has been accepted as exceeding known science (We can't say yet if it would qualify for the JREF MDC). Now lets see if the claim can be tested. Here is an innitial stab at a protocol.

The basic configuration would be a stereo system setup to ExtremeSkeptic's specification with one component that can be swapped with an A/B switch. The scientists will test the exchangeable components to insure that they would not cause a noticeable difference according to known science. ExtremeSkeptic would then compare the A/B configurations and declare if he can hear the difference. Then the test will begin.

The test will be several trials. ExtremeSkeptic will be in a listening room and will not be able to see the A/B switch or the testers that set the switch. For each trial, a random selection will be made and recorded and the switches will be configured for A or B. ExtremeSkeptic will then listen to his own selection of music and record wether the system is configured for A or B. Everything will be videotaped. After all trials are complete, the two lists will be compared to score the results.

If science says that there should be no noticeable difference between the A/B configurations and ExtremeSkeptic is able to correctly identify the A/B configuration from the listening room then either the science is wrong or ExtremeSkeptic has a paranormal ability to remotely sense the configuration or read the minds of the testers. These I would think all qualify for the MDC.

Being past the 4/1 deadline to directly submit a challenge, we would have to run an initial test publicly to get the necessary media attention.
 
He would never do a real test because he likes his delusion. Also the million dollars is not Randi's money, Daaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
BOGUS.

Once again my young friend, the dielectric does not make a big difference in audio that is snake oil. You are brainwashed by people selling you BS to sell you BS.

Paul

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The tweaks that gave me the biggest improvements were for free. If I'm brainwashed it's saving me money and giving me better sound in the process, skeptics are jealous no matter what the truth is.

It is weird that after so many posts you still think you have any credibility. Skeptics have poor memory and they just keep on going forever until they die. It is lucky for us sane people that they don't live that long. In the future we will clone the skeptics and make studies of that disease.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
The tweaks that gave me the biggest improvements were for free. If I'm brainwashed it's saving me money and giving me better sound in the process, skeptics are jealous no matter what the truth is.

It is weird that after so many posts you still think you have any credibility. Skeptics have poor memory and they just keep on going forever until they die. It is lucky for us sane people that they don't live that long. In the future we will clone the skeptics and make studies of that disease.
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It's weird that you think after so many posts that ever had any credibility.
 
Paulhoff said:
He would never do a real test because he likes his delusion. Also the million dollars is not Randi's money, Daaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Paul

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Skeptics don't try it for themselves because they like their delusion of always being right about everything. If someone thinks he knows everything then he is delusional.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
The tweaks that gave me the biggest improvements were for free. If I'm brainwashed it's saving me money and giving me better sound in the process, skeptics are jealous no matter what the truth is.
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Is your answer that you will not attempt the test and risk breaking your delusion that is saving you money and giving you better sound?

Delusion is known (though not fully understood) science and therefore does not qualify for the MDC.
 
Current flow is much like water in a hose, put water in a hose that is full of water and water comes out of the other open end, it is not the water put in at the other but it is equal to what was put in. There is a flow of water, there is a flow of electrons.

Electrons have two properties, one is a charge and we call the electron charge negative, and a magnetic moment. The charge is there all times, the magnetic moment makes a magnetic field only when the electron is moving.

Capacitors use the charge to store energy and the electrons do not have to move, and inductors (coils) use the magnetic field to store energy only when the electrons are moving.

So when a capacitor is put across a voltage from a battery (for one example) it will charge as electrons are pushed onto one capacitor plate and electrons are removed from the other capacitor plate, and there is a dielectric material between the plates and depending on the material use all strong a charge on the plates will be and also how close the plates are to each other, the closer together the stronger the charge. Remove the capacitor from the battery and the charge remands.

The inductor (coil) works on the magnetic field generated by the movement of electrons. Put the coil across the voltage from a battery and the electrons move and make a magnetic field around the wire, but when the coil is removed from the battery the magnetic field collapses and which will temporarily keep the electrons moving and if the wires from the coil are close to each other there will be a spark. A coil does not hold a charge.

This is how a car’s ignition coil works, there is a primary coil and a secondary coil that has lot more windings then the primary. The points in the ignition are closed, a magnetic field builds up in the primary coil, that field crosses the secondary coil and energy builds up, as the magnetic field builds up it makes a backward emf that slows the electrons. But when the points open the magnetic field collapses much faster then the build up and the field cuts the secondary coil’s many more windings (like a step up transformer) and make a very high voltage and that is wire to the spark plug and of course makes the spark.

Paul

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Dan O. said:
Is your answer that you will not attempt the test and risk breaking your delusion that is saving you money and giving you better sound?

Delusion is known (though not fully understood) science and therefore does not qualify for the MDC.
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I will only make the test if it is made properly over a 1-2 year period. Entering a new environment with many new variables is just stupid. Skeptics don't know anything about athletic performance, they can never understand it because all they do is perceive it.

When I pass the test I will use up all the money to buy and give away Nordost Valhalla cable to all audiophiles, but not to the skeptics because they don't want better sound, they want to listen to distorted music inside their delusional dream world.

It's not hard to figure out who are the losers.
 
slyjoe said:
Why should it take 20 years? Are you suggesting we don't have the science or technology today? Please let us know what we are lacking.
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It's not what you are lacking...in 20 years the evil narrow-minded skeptics will be dead and then the real experiments can begin because there is nobody stalling the progression in science anymore.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
The tweaks that gave me the biggest improvements were for free. If I'm brainwashed it's saving me money and giving me better sound in the process, skeptics are jealous no matter what the truth is.
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Your tweaks are all snake-oil, and they do cost you money (time is also money) and don't do a thing. You like many other audiophiles (and you are one) just have to play with something, so you tweak, you think it works, so you tweak some more, gee did it work or not, so you tweak some more, yea that works, so you tweak some more, and more and more.......etc. If it really worked then one or two tweaks and you would be done, but it doesn't work, so your always trying this and trying that, it never ends. My friend has been doing this tweaking BS for over 50 years and still he is tweaking and wasting time and money and is never happy, because it is all in his brain and it really isn’t there.

Paul

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