Jack Chick Strikes Local Jail

Lonewulf said:
Okay, a few things.
5) Jack Chick is anti-homosexual, to the point of, yes, claiming that they are inhabited by little demons. He also seems to believe that Sodom was entirely filled with homosexuals (not bisexuals), and that they were killed because, yes, they were gay. He doesn't even know his own scripture.
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Are you saying that Jack Chick believes gays are possessed by little demon homunculi?

I'm only asking because I don't get to use the word homunculus (plural homunculi) very often, and I like the sound of it ....

Charlie (a "woody" sounding word) Monoxide
 
Lonewulf said:
Yeap. Even Dr. Seuss did "racist caricatures" when attacking Japan. Though I wouldn't call Seuss a racist, necessarily, as he was one for preaching tolerance.
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This I would argue. First, though, with Abdul's information, I'll retract the implied accusation of racism. Chick isn't a racist any more than any generically offensive cartoonist is.

As for Seuss, though, I've perused a book full of those things, and there's no need for quotes around "racist caricatures." They are, quite simply, racist. Slanted, line-thin eyes, pug noses, buck teeth, the whole gamut. Dr. Seuss, if he wasn't a racist, certainly played one in the national media.
 
Glen.Nogami said:
As for Seuss, though, I've perused a book full of those things, and there's no need for quotes around "racist caricatures." They are, quite simply, racist. Slanted, line-thin eyes, pug noses, buck teeth, the whole gamut. Dr. Seuss, if he wasn't a racist, certainly played one in the national media.
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Is morality really so black and white? Is there no gray area? Seuss' political cartoons, including his racist caricatures of the Japanese, were drawn exclusively during wartime. Japan had actually declared war on the US and we were, in a very real way, fighting to save the world. His cartoons during that period focused on creating unity among the American people and urging civilians to commit totally to the defense of the nation. (Even so, he took time out to lampoon the governor of Georgia for his anti-black racism.) And when the war ended, you never heard another word out of him or saw another cartoon that demeaned or belittled anyone based on their race.

Go here, view almost every cartoon Seuss drew during that period and draw your own conclusions.
 
Would the presentation of these tracts be in violation of the 8th amendment of the U.S. Constitution?:

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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:)
 
Glen.Nogami said:
This I would argue. First, though, with Abdul's information, I'll retract the implied accusation of racism. Chick isn't a racist any more than any generically offensive cartoonist is.
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Alrighty, then. :)

As for Seuss, though, I've perused a book full of those things, and there's no need for quotes around "racist caricatures." They are, quite simply, racist. Slanted, line-thin eyes, pug noses, buck teeth, the whole gamut.
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Good point.

Dr. Seuss, if he wasn't a racist, certainly played one in the national media.
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But he did preach tolerance, especially in his books for kids... maybe he changed his viewpoint as he moved along? Or was it just his caricatures that you're basing this on?

(Though I guess you could be "tolerant" *and* "Racist" at the same time...)
 
Hm, a Jack Chick tract where a hero is an African American.

Kidnapped.

ETA: Just read it through. Apparently God talks to little kids with a beam of light holding the script. Weird.

If I saw that, I'd probably believe.
 
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Yup.

Chick's new project is to 'colorize' his most popular tracts.

Even Doctor No Face is of African descent. :p
 
Y'know, Chick has potential as a comic artist. Too bad all of the plotlines are so predictable, though. Makes it unfun.
 
Lonewulf said:
But he did preach tolerance, especially in his books for kids... maybe he changed his viewpoint as he moved along? Or was it just his caricatures that you're basing this on?

(Though I guess you could be "tolerant" *and* "Racist" at the same time...)
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I'm basing it on the caricatures, yeah, but to be fair, those did span over the length of the United States' involvement in World War Two, making them a significant body of work.

As for the second part, I absolutely agree, and this could very well be what it was. I know otherwise very liberal homophobes, for instance, and that's the sort of thing that Seuss' racism could be. Tolerance...except for you, Jap.
 
Glen.Nogami said:
I know otherwise very liberal homophobes, for instance, and that's the sort of thing that Seuss' racism could be. Tolerance...except for you, Jap.
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If you had any evidence whatsoever that Seuss' "racisim" extended even half an hour past the end of World War II, I might agree with you.
 
Glen.Nogami said:
I'm basing it on the caricatures, yeah, but to be fair, those did span over the length of the United States' involvement in World War Two, making them a significant body of work.
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Which namely targeted only a few people, which are the "bad guys".

Racist caricatures of the "bad guys", especially in a time period where blackface was considered an everyday theater and drawing thing... I dunno.
 
Loss Leader said:
If you had any evidence whatsoever that Seuss' "racisim" extended even half an hour past the end of World War II, I might agree with you.
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No, his racism did not extend at all past the end of World War Two. Neither did the Japanese American concentration camps.
 
Glen.Nogami said:
The fact that the racism under discussion started and ended with the war does not in the slightest justify it.
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Justify? I don't know. Excuse? Perhaps. Explain? Absolutely.

The world is not black and white. Morality is not all or nothing. One can be a very good person without being perfect. Anti-Japanese racism in the US during World War II was an important tool that helped unify and motivate the civilians in our country. It helped convince them to make sacrifices necessary for the war effort.

And compared with the general level of racism in the world at the time, anti-Japanese racism in the US was hilariously mild. I believe the Nazis used racism to divide and exterminate their own population. And anti-Western racism in Japan caused mothers and children to jump to their deaths to avoid surrender to the US.

Seuss helped America win the war. I forgive him completely.
 
Loss Leader said:
Justify? I don't know. Excuse? Perhaps. Explain? Absolutely.

The world is not black and white. Morality is not all or nothing. One can be a very good person without being perfect.
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That was the point above, when I noted that one could preach tolerance while maintaining intolerance on certain issues.
Anti-Japanese racism in the US during World War II was an important tool that helped unify and motivate the civilians in our country. It helped convince them to make sacrifices necessary for the war effort.

And compared with the general level of racism in the world at the time, anti-Japanese racism in the US was hilariously mild.
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So what, because only a few people died in the camps, it's funny compared to the holocaust? When does it cease to be "hilarious"? When ten people die because of racism? Twenty? A few thousand? How about the enormous property losses inflicted on the Japanese American population, that economically damaged them for years to come. Funny? I don't find it so, no.

I believe the Nazis used racism to divide and exterminate their own population. And anti-Western racism in Japan caused mothers and children to jump to their deaths to avoid surrender to the US.
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Japan and Germany were far, far worse than the United States in terms of wartime racism. I do not disagree.

Seuss helped America win the war. I forgive him completely.
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History is written by the victors, I suppose.
 
Lonewulf said:
Caricatures are not, nor ever will be, the same as concentration camps.
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They were both manifestations of racism against the Japanese American population during World War II, and the fact that they ended with the war does not excuse them.
 
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