9/11 on Google Earth

[beachnut]

because the data is not stored directly to the tape, its stored in a buffer while its being written, someone here has said that results in a delay of up to 3 seconds

i assume the FDR data is stored on magnetic tape, this takes the longest amount of time to write to



and how do you conclude that given that the FDR data didnt record that far?

The data blocks are stored in 4 second frames. I was wondering if there is a 4 second delay before the first set of data is even stored to the chip. This was stored all on a chip and the data stream for a 4 second frame takes 4 seconds to steam to the storage system.
This is from reading about the FDR recorder used on 77 type aircraft.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Forget it, Lyte. I live in Europe and I give a ◊◊◊◊ about
NWO, Neocons, Republicans and Democrats. Flight 77
crashed into the Pentagon and yes, Bush is an as***le
nevertheless. When will you understand this simple fact?

Forget about the evidence!

Oliver hates bush and believes the official story.

That should be enough for ANY "critical thinker"!

 

[beachnut]

So are you really suggesting that the final recorded altitude and speed of the plane shows that it is possible to hit the light poles?

The FDR did not record the impact, there are a number of seconds of data missing. The final data points confirm all 9/11 evidence. The final data points show the terrorist on target to hit the Pentagon.

Who told you the FDR did not allow 77 to hit the Pentagon and the posts? The FDR does not have the data up to the impact. Who gave you other information? The FDR shows your story is wrong. Your path is wrong. Your whole story is wrong, and the FDR proves it.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Final recorded location, altitude, and speed.

Are you suggesting the FDR has the plane low enough to hit the poles?

the FDR didnt record the data for when the plane hit the poles, you cant say whether it was low enough or not

why do you claim the FDR shows it was too high when you know it did not record the data at the relevant time index?

 

[Oliver]

Forget about the evidence!

Oliver hates bush and believes the official story.

That should be enough for ANY "critical thinker"!

This is BS, and you probably know this unconsciously. I would love
to see someone kicking Bush's ass but logic tell's me that the majority
of the official version happened, especially concerning the Hijackers.

Your fallacy seems to be that you based your Theory on the "fact" that
no plane hit the Pentagon. This is dishonest because you have to take
the official account and disproof it instead take the CT-account and
proof it.

Do you understand the difference?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The eyewitnesses have already proven the FDR as invalid.

However if you choose to accept the FDR as valid you must admit that the plane was too high to hit the light poles or damage the building as outlined in the ASCE report.

Anecdotal evidence does not trump empirical evidence. QED.

 

[Mince]

Quick, somebody get this over to one of LyteTrip's fly-over threads so he can flippantly discredit it and reaffirm the Holy Strength of his witness statements.


ETA: Oh wait, he's already here. My bad.

 

[Mince]

The eyewitnesses have already proven the FDR as invalid.

Nice.

For the first time in the history of thinking man, and because of one person, eyewitness statements weigh heavier than empirical evidence.


Two friends, outside:

"Oh man, it's raining out here."

"It's not raining."

"What are you talking about? It's pouring."

"The weatherman said it wouldn't rain until Wednesday."

"But dude, it is raining."

"Nonsense. You heard the weatherman, didn't you."

"Hey look man, I gotta go. See ya!"

 

[CurtC]

There was a 1.5 DME reading from DCA VOR at the last data point presented in the PFT data set. Take that arc and the heading and there are only two positions possible for flight 77 on that 1.5 DME arc.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/124474626a1aedc289.jpg[/qimg]
The 1.5 DME arc would be a circle around DCA VOR above, the VOR is on the right.

Does that mean that the last recorded position should be not where it is, but somewhere 1.5 miles from that VOR beacon? According to this Google Earth animation, the last point is somewhat southwest of the Sheraton, but 1.5 miles from that VOR would put the plane close to the Navy Annex building.

I just don't understand the process used to put the FDR data where it is. Am I correct in understanding that it's off by about 3000 feet at takeoff, but this is understandable because the nav system was just coming on, then in flight it adjusted itself to be more accurate? But wasn't there a discrepancy of 20 miles or so that it was off? How was the correction made?

I would think the PfffT group would want to put the point where the plane was at 500 feet altitude, over the light poles, so if they themselves put it at 500 feet, a mile or more out, there must be a solid reason that they can't avoid. But I don't understand that reason.

 

[qarnos]

During some of the ascent and descent sections the aircraft nose doesn't appear to reflect the direction, and during the large turn the model of the aircraft is depicted in a port wing down bank, whereas it should be a starboard wing down bank. Could it be the pitch/roll positions are all backwards?

-Gumboot

This is a bit of a common misconception. Aircraft don't always travel the way it's nose is pointed, especially with regards to their altitude. The amount of lift generated by the wings is predominately a function of airspeed and angle of attack (the angle of the wings relative to the airflow). Increasing speed and angle of attack will increase lift (well, up to a point) and vice versa.

The point is, an aircraft travelling at high speed will actually have to have it's nose pointed down (below the horizon) in order to maintain level flight. An aircraft travelling slowly will have it's nose up.

To see what I mean, watch an aircraft in the final stages of landing, during the "flare". The pilot will continually bring the nose of the aircraft up to maintain level flight just above the runway as the aircraft slows down.

I haven't seen the Google Earth thing yet, but I would expect AA77 to have it's nose pointed well below the direction of flight in order to descend at such high speeds.

 

[JamesB]

Nice.

For the first time in the history of thinking man, and because of one person, eyewitness statements weigh heavier than empirical evidence.


Two friends, outside:

"Oh man, it's raining out here."

"It's not raining."

"What are you talking about? It's pouring."

"The weatherman said it wouldn't rain until Wednesday."

"But dude, it is raining."

"Nonsense. You heard the weatherman, didn't you."

"Hey look man, I gotta go. See ya!"

Imagine Lyte as a defense attorney.

Yes, I know your honor that we have 14 different witnesses who say they saw the defendant scream obscenities at his wife and stab her with a butcher knife. Yes, I know his fingerprints were found on the butcher knife, and the knife came from a set of knives that he used to barbeque frequently. Yes, I know he in fact confessed to the murder.

But you must see that there is something more sinister at work. I have spoken with the witnesses, there are some glaring discrepencies. Two of the witnesses described the defendent as using his left hand to stab his wife, when in fact he is right handed! Three witnesses described him as wearing a black t-shirt. When in fact, the shirt the prosecution has entered into evidence was a navy blue polo shirt.

Furthermore, and this is the really damning evidence. Many of the witnesses could not actually see the defendent stabbing his wife. Because at the time he was holding her down on the floor behind the couch, and they could not have seen him stabbing her at the time because their view was blocked by the couch. They just presumed she was being stabbed by him because she was screaming. In fact I believe that an entirely different person working for the CIA was stabbing her at the time in an elaborate plot to cover-up the truth behind the Kennedy assassination.

Your honor, you must acquit!

 

[apathoid]

Does that mean that the last recorded position should be not where it is, but somewhere 1.5 miles from that VOR beacon? According to this Google Earth animation, the last point is somewhat southwest of the Sheraton, but 1.5 miles from that VOR would put the plane close to the Navy Annex building.

I'm not a 100% sure of what to make of it either. My best guess is that the last frame or two were corrupted and didn't make onto the recording medium, or perhaps they were recorded but couldn't be read because of damage. Just speculation on my part. The FDR report of flight 77 mentions that most parameters weren't recorded properly and weren't plotted. It doesnt mention anything about missing frames or an incomplete recording. Since the 1.5 NM DME reading(placed along the final heading) in the last frame doesn't jibe with the final lat/long position, we can assume that one or both of these parameters is inaccurate, or one was recorded before the other although they are in the same frame.

I just don't understand the process used to put the FDR data where it is. Am I correct in understanding that it's off by about 3000 feet at takeoff, but this is understandable because the nav system was just coming on, then in flight it adjusted itself to be more accurate? But wasn't there a discrepancy of 20 miles or so that it was off? How was the correction made?

I made a few posts on this matter here and earlier in this thread here, as well as here

 

[Lyte Trip]

the FDR didnt record the data for when the plane hit the poles, you cant say whether it was low enough or not

why do you claim the FDR shows it was too high when you know it did not record the data at the relevant time index?

Oh really?

Are you sure?

How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

 

[Lyte Trip]

The FDR did not record the impact, there are a number of seconds of data missing. The final data points confirm all 9/11 evidence. The final data points show the terrorist on target to hit the Pentagon.

Who told you the FDR did not allow 77 to hit the Pentagon and the posts? The FDR does not have the data up to the impact. Who gave you other information? The FDR shows your story is wrong. Your path is wrong. Your whole story is wrong, and the FDR proves it.

You seem to think you know a lot about the FDR.

So what's your answer?

How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

 

[Oliver]

Oh really?

Are you sure?

How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

You can not trust the Data - but you trust it just
to distrust it. Do you even understand this contradiction?

Please tell me why I should think Flight 77 didn't crashed
there? And please tell me where you started your conclusions:

Based on the official account...
or...
Based on the CT-Hole Account...

 

[Lyte Trip]

You can not trust the Data - but you trust it just
to distrust it. Do you even understand this contradiction?

Please tell me why I should think Flight 77 didn't crashed
there? And please tell me where you started your conclusions:

Based on the official account...
or...
Based on the CT-Hole Account...

I have no idea what you are going on about.

How is that an answer to my question?

Try again:


How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

The plane never reaches the light poles. The last altitude is 513' about 1.25 miles away from impact. Thats from the Pilots for Truth data, not the 911myths data.

How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

1.25 miles = 6600 feet

not sure exactly how far away pole 1 was, but im certain it was considerably less than 6000 feet

now i realize you can calulate how high the plane will be using the last know rate of descent, however this assumes the rate of descent doesnt change, which you dont know for certain since the FDR didnt record any data after this point

 

[Lyte Trip]

1.25 miles = 6600 feet

not sure exactly how far away pole 1 was, but im certain it was considerably less than 6000 feet

now i realize you can calulate how high the plane will be using the last know rate of descent, however this assumes the rate of descent doesnt change, which you dont know for certain since the FDR didnt record any data after this point

The NTSB calculates 173' Pressure altitude at 09:37:44. Based on speed, that is 783 feet west of the pentagon wall. Not 1.25 miles.

 

[apathoid]

1.How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and
2.how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

1a. 6400' going off of the final lat/long
1b. 2900' going off of the final DME reading placed along the final true track, working backwards from the impact point.

2. 885' or so.

Since (1a) and (1b) are larger than (2), the aircrafts position and altitude relevant to the light poles cannot be ascertained. However, since the track lines up perfectly and the light poles were knocked down - I can only assume that 77 didn't have the necessary altitude to clear them....

 

[Oliver]

I have no idea what you are going on about.

How is that an answer to my question?

Try again:

How many feet before the Pentagon wall does the data stop and how many feet from the wall is light pole #1?

Well, my honest answer is: After reading all these people seeing
the Plane crashing into the Pentagon - the Data itself doesn't really
matter to me.

And don't get me wrong - Bush should share the same fate as
Saddam - he killed at least as much people with his policies
than Saddam did. But nevertheless - I know too much details
about the Hamburg Cell to believe it was a false Flag. I know
that America knew about the Hamburg Cell - so my guess was
more like LIHOP than MIHOP. The MIHOP scenario is trash to
me - if they want to crash a plane, they will do so. There is
no need to fake anything. This is your problem. You believe
they had to fake it without any reasonable explanation. But
they are not dumb, Lyte Trip.