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NIST Petition Demands Corrections

T.A.M. said:
Well if this is true, than are you planning, any time in the near future, to add any kind of coherent arguement against the "official" story of 9/11? Or are you going to continue to simply point out what you don't like about posts here, and certain bits and pieces of things?

...cause that is all I have seen you do here so far.

TAM
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As MM pointed out earlier, you do not own this forum. I will behave how I like here within the rules of the forum.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Any member, yourselves included, are within your rights to report any other member if you believe they have violated the forum rules. I wonder: Did either of you report Enigma?
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I was a lurker at the time that occured. It's a bit late to report it now.

Do you condone his actions?
 
ERichardson said:
As MM pointed out earlier, you do not own this forum. I will behave how I like here within the rules of the forum.
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Of course. I am not trying to TELL you how to behave, I am ASKING you how you plan on behaving, or if you are planning on CHANGING that behavior in a way that might get you some better feedback...you do as you like, but if you continue to post as you do I for one, and others will likely do the same, will tend to either ignore you or count you as a troll and treat you as such.

TAM:)
 
ERichardson said:
I was a lurker at the time that occured. It's a bit late to report it now.

Do you condone his actions?
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I don't remember what his "actions" were, and I don't wish to re-hash a separate thread in a thread that's already far off-topic.

But I don't wish to be lectured about fair enforcement by people who are not themselves exercising their rights.
 
chipmunk stew said:
I know that I and others have "left the cocoon" many, many times to engage Inside Job folks on their own turf. I don't expect to be warmly welcomed. I expect hostility towards my arguments. I don't complain about it. I usually get banned eventually...for my arguments. What does that say to you?
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What does that say to me?

It's not necessarily what you say but how you choose to say it!

I've observed many responses in the LC Forum that were clearly leading to a banning because the presentation was so uncivil. Many times it looked like getting banned was the true goal of the poster.

Sometimes bannings have been in my opinion, premature, but not knowing the whole story (pms etc), it is not for me to judge unless it's a very obvious case of bad judgement.

I don't doubt there are some private discussion forums out there with mods who will ban people for no good reason. I have no use for that kind of forum and would never continue to participate in one that was administered in such an arbitrary manner.

MM
 
chipmunk stew said:
Any member, yourselves included, are within your rights to report any other member if you believe they have violated the forum rules. I wonder: Did either of you report Enigma?
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I read the 18 page thread all in one session and the damage had been long done.

It was up to those who first encountered those attack posts to correct the error, yet no one attempted to correct Enigma or report him as far as I know.

I don't really want to rehash this. I'm hoping everyone is going to take a fresh approach and opening up wounds would not be very constructive.

MM
 
Mirage.

I made one post on the LC forums before I was banned. It said this:

"Dylan, are you aware that Universal Studios actually donated a considerable sum of money over 1 million US dollars?

*link*"

Banned, post deleted.

I'd have to say if you didn't call that a ban for no good reason, I have no idea what is.
 
MM, I find it rather strange that you ask people to be civil when you very often do not. I haven't been here that long, but you have been rude to me on more than one occasion. I asked Christopher7 a couple of questions in his WTC7 thread, and you responded that he has done more research than me so why bother answering. How is that constructive to any argument?

I have been in no way combative or uncivil to anyone, even after incidents like your uncalled for response. Maybe you should look into your own actions before lecturing others.
 
Miragememories said:
What does that say to me?

It's not necessarily what you say but how you choose to say it!
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And I would respond that you have that completely backwards (if you're looking for the truth.)

Miragememories said:
I've observed many responses in the LC Forum that were clearly leading to a banning because the presentation was so uncivil. Many times it looked like getting banned was the true goal of the poster.
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I'm certain that happens. I've seen it happen myself. But if you're using the LC forum as an example of a place you can have an opposing opinion so long as you stay civil, you are being extremely naive.

Miragememories said:
Sometimes bannings have been in my opinion, premature, but not knowing the whole story (pms etc), it is not for me to judge unless it's a very obvious case of bad judgement.

I don't doubt there are some private discussion forums out there with mods who will ban people for no good reason. I have no use for that kind of forum and would never continue to participate in one that was administered in such an arbitrary manner.

MM
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Again, if you're using LC forum as an example, then you are continuing to participate in one that is administered in an extremely arbitrary manner. But whatever. I don't really care. I find that place distasteful and the discussion fruitless, and I don't pay much attention to it anymore.
 
chipmunk stew said:
[/B]And I would respond that you have that completely backwards (if you're looking for the truth.)


I'm certain that happens. I've seen it happen myself. But if you're using the LC forum as an example of a place you can have an opposing opinion so long as you stay civil, you are being extremely naive.


Again, if you're using LC forum as an example, then you are continuing to participate in one that is administered in an extremely arbitrary manner. But whatever. I don't really care. I find that place distasteful and the discussion fruitless, and I don't pay much attention to it anymore.
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I just want to make something clear.

I am my own person and am not a representative of LC Inc. As has been pointed out here by T.A.M. and others, it's the fence sitters who we ultimately hope to sway.

At LC, I don't have the time or the energy to police all the threads looking for those who are acting improperly. If I encounter something or someone who I feel is acting against my beliefs, I'll speak up in a post.

The LC Forum gets a lot of visitors and therefore posting there is of value regardless of how I may feel about the quality of it's administration.

Reporting people who violate the rules is not my style. I prefer to confront them in a post so everyone can see what is going down and judge for themselves.

MM
 
Disbelief said:
MM, I find it rather strange that you ask people to be civil when you very often do not. I haven't been here that long, but you have been rude to me on more than one occasion. I asked Christopher7 a couple of questions in his WTC7 thread, and you responded that he has done more research than me so why bother answering. How is that constructive to any argument?

I have been in no way combative or uncivil to anyone, even after incidents like your uncalled for response. Maybe you should look into your own actions before lecturing others.
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Give me the link and I'll try and explain my response.

I don't recall having ever replied to you.

MM
 
Getting back to the topic of the thread, this thread at 911 blogger

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7866

contains the audio of Bob McIlvaine, a family member of a 911 victim, talking to Alex Jones about the petition.

It's harrowing to hear him describe how the debunkers behaviour makes him feel. He lost his son on 911.
 
ERichardson said:
So the claim in LC is correct.
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No. It's one thing to say "approximate," quite another to put a stopwatch on an event, purporting to time it completely to the hundredth of a second, but to leave out the start of the event.

That's dishonest.

Feel free to let me know if you find any material claims that Loose Change gets right. No one has done so since I issued that challenge a year ago.
 
Gravy said:
No. It's one to say "approximate," quite another to put a stopwatch on an event, purporting to time it completely to the hundredth of a second, but to leave out the start of the event.

That's dishonest.
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What exact number do they stop the stopwatch on?
 
ERichardson said:
Getting back to the topic of the thread, this thread at 911 blogger

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7866

contains the audio of Bob McIlvaine, a family member of a 911 victim, talking to Alex Jones about the petition.

It's harrowing to hear him describe how the debunkers behaviour makes him feel. He lost his son on 911.
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Has Mr. McIlvaine shown that debunkers have gotten anything wrong?
 
Gravy, I wasn't asked about material claims, just claims. The goalposts shift again.

There are dozens of claims that they get right and more that are not proven either way. They also add a disclaimer at the end saying not to accept the preceding film as fact and to research yourself.
 
ERichardson said:
Getting back to the topic of the thread, this thread at 911 blogger

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7866

contains the audio of Bob McIlvaine, a family member of a 911 victim, talking to Alex Jones about the petition.

It's harrowing to hear him describe how the debunkers behaviour makes him feel. He lost his son on 911.
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This is a classic appeal to emotion.

No matter how bad he feels, the simple fact is that the petition itself is nonsense.

I'm not excusing bad behavior on either side of the aisle, just pointing out the facts. If Bob McIlvaine doesn't like the response he's getting, then he should ally himself with more reliable scientists. The choice is entirely up to him.
 
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