Mike Walter (USA Today) Responds to Conspiracists Misquoting Him

[beachnut]

The bank angles at the last 10 seconds were level back and forth no more than 6.3 degrees, these are bank angles that all the witnesses saw. The plane would be only at an angle of 5 to 10 degrees above the horizon from the point of impact. The turn radius of a plane going as fast as 77 at 6.3 degrees is 172,000 feet! The bank angles seen were gentle and the turn was less than a 0.3 degrees a second, basically a straighter line than a sober person walking a line.

Someone check my math, the minimum turn radius during the last 10 seconds, that is over a the last mile or so, were 157,000 feet to 172,000 feet MINIMUM. (25 to 28 nautical mile turn radius!!!) (443 to 463 KIAS, and max bank of 6.3 degrees)

LyteTrip's turns require more than 70 degrees of bank for 77 to make the turn. Not one witness saw 70 degrees of bank (greater than 3gs)! Not one witnesses saw large bank angles! The witnesses confirm the FDR gentle bank angle of 6.3 degrees maximum and a back and forth bank angle.

Funny math of the day!, for flight 77 to make the turns at a gentle bank and the turn Lyte says 77 did. The speed has to be 87 KIAS! Flight 77 can not fly at 87 KIAS, that is below stall speed and everyone said it was going FAST! LYTE, hello?

 

[Mince]

Scorched bodies with the stench of human flesh, Lyte Trip. Any thoughts?

Maybe Williams was embellishing.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

The bank angles at the last 10 seconds were level back and forth no more than 6.3 degrees, these are bank angles that all the witnesses saw. The plane would be only at an angle of 5 to 10 degrees above the horizon from the point of impact. The turn radius of a plane going as fast as 77 at 6.3 degrees is 172,000 feet! The bank angles seen were gentle and the turn was less than a 0.3 degrees a second, basically a straighter line than a sober person walking a line.

Someone check my math, the minimum turn radius during the last 10 seconds, that is over a the last mile or so, were 157,000 feet to 172,000 feet MINIMUM. (25 to 28 nautical mile turn radius!!!) (443 to 463 KIAS, and max bank of 6.3 degrees)

LyteTrip's turns require more than 70 degrees of bank for 77 to make the turn. Not one witness saw 70 degrees of bank (greater than 3gs)! Not one witnesses saw large bank angles! The witnesses confirm the FDR gentle bank angle of 6.3 degrees maximum and a back and forth bank angle.

Funny math of the day!, for flight 77 to make the turns at a gentle bank and the turn Lyte says 77 did. The speed has to be 87 KIAS! Flight 77 can not fly at 87 KIAS, that is below stall speed and everyone said it was going FAST! LYTE, hello?

Im not a fancy flyboy, what is KIAS? Knots per something?

/S

 

[Mince]

Im not a fancy flyboy, what is KIAS? Knots per something?

/S

Knots Indicated Air Speed. The airspeed shown on the airspeed indicator, not necessarily the actual air speed of the aircraft.

 

[beachnut]

Im not a fancy flyboy, what is KIAS? Knots per something?

/S

Knots indicated airspeed. One knot is 6067 feet or so per hour.

463 KIAS is 526 mph

87 knots is 98.86 mph

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Knots indicated airspeed. One knot is 6067 feet or so per hour.

463 KIAS is 526 mph

87 knots is 98.86 mph

Basically standard nautical knots? What the difference between KIAS ("indicated" airspeed) and true speed?

/S

 

[beachnut]

Basically standard nautical knots? What the difference between KIAS ("indicated" airspeed) and true speed?

/S

ICE-T

Indicated, calibrated, equivalent, true

You have to calculate it, or have instruments that read it. There is a ICE-T calculation pilot can do, or navigators. Or charts.

At high altitudes the indicated airspeed may read 250 KIAS and the true is 450 KTAS (true airspeed)

The true airspeed for 9/11 was very close to the indicated airspeed for low altitudes.

not sure if correct but here is a worksheet http://www.t6driver.com/navigation/rev_icet_calculator.xls

Pilot use Use the following mnemonic
ICE T ea is a P retty C ool D rink

The corrections are "I as corrected for P ressure error gives C as which when corrected for C ompressibility gives E as which is corrected for D ensity to give T as"

ICE-T

 

[peteweaver]

Lyte, who are you to say what he saw ? Mike Walter was there, you were not, your photographs do not appear to accurately portray the perspective Mike would have had. What makes you more of an expert than those who were at the scene ?

 

[westprog]

Do you know what a "bank" is?

He probably thinks it involves tellers and checks.

 

[twinstead]

Lyte these arguments are pretty much what you would expect in a court of law scrutinizing your evidence.

Do you honestly believe any of it would stand up to such scrutiny during such a trial? Do you REALLY believe your evidence is so compelling?

Even with the slick in-it-for-the-money lawyer you would desperately need it would be a total embarrassment to you in a court of law. If you don't see that then I feel very sorry for you.

 

[WildCat]

Five miles isn't that far to see an object that is in the sky.

And the sky was exceptionally clear on 9/11.

 

[mailman]

Do you honestly believe any of it would stand up to such scrutiny during such a trial? Do you REALLY believe your evidence is so compelling?

The scary thing is the answer to your question is, YES...he does believe in what he says.

And that is the saddest thing of all.

Mailman

 

[gumboot]

The end part of the turn, where it crosses interstate 495 is only about 5 miles away from the Pentagon. Do we know the altitude at that point? Five miles isn't that far to see an object that is in the sky.

At the end of the turn AA77 was at 2000ft. At the beginning it was at 7000ft.

-Gumboot

 

[beachnut]

You say I am wrong I say you are wrong.

Goodnight.

All your witnesses prove you are wrong.
Over 100 witnesses prove you are wrong.
Your own charts of turns prove you are wrong.
Math proves you are wrong.
21 people on this thread prove with facts you are wrong.
Thousands of pieces of physical evidence prove you are wrong.
FDR's thousands of data points prove you are wrong.

Thousands of pieces of evidence prove you wrong and all you have is talk. Facts and evidence vs talk?

No facts yet, and your story wrong for 5 years based on just facts and evidence.

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle are required for your turns?

 

[chipmunk stew]

Lyte,

Who have you convinced so far?

 

[CptColumbo]

Read the thread again but this time read SLOWER.

I already gave the reason.

I read your reason and it is inadequate. You claim to be an investigator, yet did not take his version into account in your animation. Why? Why is his ignored and another also incomplete account is included in your investigative film? It makes me think that there are several others that you interviewed and didn't include, because their account didn't match your version of events (which you didn't witness).

If you were a serious journalist, and not the sesationalist that you appear to be, you would have the intergrity to admit that your initial conclusion was wrong. Of course a real invetigator would also not begin with a conclusion and only look for evidence that supported it. To save you project from being even more of a laughingstock it might be a good idea to include all the interviews you conducted and the various versions of what happened according to eyewitnesses, it would make an interesting study on recall and the effects of time on memory.

 

[CptColumbo]

All your witnesses prove you are wrong.
Over 100 witnesses prove you are wrong.
Your own charts of turns prove you are wrong.
Math proves you are wrong.
21 people on this thread prove with facts you are wrong.
Thousands of pieces of physical evidence prove you are wrong.
FDR's thousands of data points prove you are wrong.

Thousands of pieces of evidence prove you wrong and all you have is talk. Facts and evidence vs talk?

No facts yet, and your story wrong for 5 years based on just facts and evidence.

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle are required for your turns?

There are some in this world (I'm not pointing any fingers) that believe; if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a cruise missle dropped from a low flying invisiplane.

 

[Kryptos]

At 23 minutes into pentacon (which i started watching), the witness mentions a "do not enter" sign and the camera zooms into it.

Here's a view of the Pentagon from the Air Force Memorial:

Same image, zoomed in with the "do not exit" signs highlighted:

High resolution images can be seen here:
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Gallery4

Notice there are two do not enter signs. I have a hunch that Lyte is deceitful and zooms into the the one on the left, which support his pet theory. In reality, it's likely that the witness was referring to the one on the right which is 100% consistent with the "official" flight path, with the downed lightpoles, with what Lloyd England and other witnesses saw.

 

[A W Smith]

great find

 

[Kryptos]

not the trees

The "bank" would have been up by the Navy Annex and so the trees he was talking about with Russell that were "adjacent" to route 27 and the ONLY ones that could have caused him to momentarily lose his view are these:

These are not the trees he Mr. Walter refers to. These are no where near Rt. 27, but are on the other side of the Citgo, up along Columbia Pike.

The trees in question are these, which are not that thick and when you are driving along, they only very briefly (less than a second) block the view. The view of the Pentagon coming down the ramp onto Rt. 27 is excellent.