Mike Walter (USA Today) Responds to Conspiracists Misquoting Him

[gumboot]

You are making a fool of yourself.

:irony:

Look how incredibly far the end of the loop is before it straightens out:

Incredibly far? That's not incredibly far. Why do you say it's incredibly far?

There is NO WAY he could see that.

Why not?

And again.....he did not see the plane for minutes or many 10's of seconds.

I see no statement from him that identifies the total time he saw the aircraft.

-Gumboot

 

[Lyte Trip]

**emphasis added


So, Lyte, which parts is Mr. Walter embellishing? Perhaps you'd like to enjoy dinner at his house again and explain to him that he is embellishing.

I've already explained what he is embellishing and proved why.

I would have no problem telling him to his face and showing him the citgo witness testimony (that we obtained a couple months AFTER meeting with Mike Walter) but I am quite certain that Russell has already told him what I think anyway.

 

[Gravy]

Plus I am not "reading things into people's statements that are not there".

He told me this in person. At his house.

Since you aren't "reading things into peoples' statements that are not there" then Mike Walter told you this, right?

The other side of the coin is that he may very well be an intelligence operative that was deep cover for the official story and was literally wooing us to keep tabs and soften the official account by befriending us and inviting us into his home.

And Loyd England told you this, because you wouldn't read things into his statements, right?

Clearly Lloyd is lying or else the laws of physcis were violated.

the only logical conclusion is that his account has been totally fabricated and staged.

Lloyd has somehow been compromised by the perpetrators.

And Stephen McGraw told you this, because you wouldn't read things into his statements, right?

Father Stephen McGraw is a prime candidate for a deep cover agent. What could possibly be a more cush job that would leave you plenty of time for clandestine covert operations than a priest?

So did these witnesses tell you these things?

Please refrain from making issues personal, and keep the conversation civil, according to the guidelines of the CT forum.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[beachnut]

I've already explained what he is embellishing and proved why.

I would have no problem telling him to his face and showing him the citgo witness testimony (that we obtained a couple months AFTER meeting with Mike Walter) but I am quite certain that Russell has already told him what I think anyway.

What g force is required for your turns?

The bank angles after rolling out of the big turn, which only used 30 degrees of bank, varied up to 6.3 degrees and the aircraft heading only varied 4 degrees to the right! Making your version a lie. Your heading changes are horrendous and outright lies. Why?

Math proves you wrong! Were you one of those students who thought he would never need math?

 

[Lyte Trip]

What g force is required for your turns?

The bank angles after rolling out of the big turn, which only used 30 degrees of bank, varied up to 6.3 degrees and the aircraft heading only varied 4 degrees to the right! Making your version a lie. Your heading changes are horrendous and outright lies. Why?

Math proves you wrong! Were you one of those students who thought he would never need math?

You gotta know the speed to figure that out for sure.

You can't make up values.

We will prove that the maneuver is possible in the Researcher's Edition.

 

[DavidJames]

That was from an old personal blog that included possible SPECULATIONS that were expressed as such and were NOT claimed to be fact.

Let's be clear, everything you state is SPECULATION, everything. You simply choose to differentiate to suit whatever whim you are currently pursing.

 

[CptColumbo]

So if you went to all the trouble to meet the man, why isn't his interview used in your movie? Are there more people that you interviewed and didn't use in the video? What are you hiding? Why are you suppressing the truth?

 

[Gravy]

Classic Gravy style obfuscation and diversion from the topic.

Here's some more "Classic Gravy." You'll tune it out, though, because you only listen to the Lyte stations.

"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

'It was the worst thing you can imagine,' said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. 'I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside.' "
http://tinyurl.com/kth3m

Army Staff Sergeant Mark Williams didn't see the plane hit. Therefore, the scorched passengers in the airline seats didn't exist, right, Craig?

Please refrain from making issues personal, and keep the conversation civil, according to the guidelines of the CT forum.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[beachnut]

You gotta know the speed to figure that out for sure.

You can't make up values.

We will prove that the maneuver is possible in the Researcher's Edition.

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS; the bank angle max was 6.3 degrees. You know that and you avoid the simple math questions please try some facts and tell us all the following. The bank angle you need to make the turns is up to and over 70 degrees and up to and over 7 gs. What do you think?

What g force is required for your turns? Do some simple math and pilot stuff!

What g force is required for your turns? Go ask JDX the expert pilot who does not know what part of the electromagnetic spectrum a radio altimeter operates at.

Do not forget the final track was around 61.2 degree true! Kind of messes up your whole fly over! Darn foiled by facts. JDX is kind of funny he seems to agree with you and you incorrect headings and big turns not possible at the end of 77 final seconds. Why are you unable to find a single fact?

What g force is required for your turns? (443 to 463 plus KIAS)

 

[Lyte Trip]

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS; the bank angle max was 6.3 degrees. You know that and you avoid the simple math questions please try some facts and tell us all the following. The bank angle you need to make the turns is up to and over 70 degrees and up to and over 7 gs. What do you think?

What g force is required for your turns? Do some simple math and pilot stuff!

What g force is required for your turns? Go ask JDX the expert pilot who does not know what part of the electromagnetic spectrum a radio altimeter operates at.

Do not forget the final track was around 61.2 degree true! Kind of messes up your whole fly over! Darn foiled by facts. JDX is kind of funny he seems to agree with you and you incorrect headings and big turns not possible at the end of 77 final seconds. Why are you unable to find a single fact?

What g force is required for your turns? (443 to 463 plus KIAS)

You do not know the speed and the plane would have had to have taken off from a field to end up with that heading.

The FDR does not match up with the official story OR the eyewitnesses.

It is invalid.

 

[beachnut]

You do not know the speed and the plane would have had to have taken off from a field to end up with that heading.

The FDR does not match up with the official story OR the eyewitnesses.

It is invalid.

Wrong the FDR matches exactly what happen on 9/11, you do not even know how to use the FDR data, you may require a pilot trained in accident investigation. (the witnesses describe the FDR data perfectly, you just do not know how to line it up, you are not capable of knowing how to do it)

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle required for your turns?

This is verified by witness statements and damage done by 77!

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS in the final seconds for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle required for your turns?

 

[Bobert]

Are you calling Mike Walter a liar?


I told you that was a rough version.

It was probably closer to this:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/finalflightpath.jpg

Regardless.....you are splitting hairs.

He saw a "bank" and the plane pick up speed.

He would not have seen a bank at all, graceful or not, if the official story were true.

No you are calling Mike Walter a liar.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Wrong the FDR matches exactly what happen on 9/11, you do not even know how to use the FDR data, you may require a pilot trained in accident investigation. (the witnesses describe the FDR data perfectly, you just do not know how to line it up, you are not capable of knowing how to do it)

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle required for your turns?

This is verified by witness statements and damage done by 77!

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS in the final seconds for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle required for your turns?

You say I am wrong I say you are wrong.

Goodnight.

 

[NeoRicen]

As he continues to RUN as fast as he can from the OP since it's clear the research I have presented is thorough and untouchable.

So predictable.

Thorough and untouchable?

It's been debunked multiple times already in this thread alone, you're completely dodging every challenge to your claims.

 

[Gravy]

"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

'It was the worst thing you can imagine,' said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. 'I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside.' "
http://tinyurl.com/kth3m

Lyte, this is quite relevant to the OP. Sergeant Williams didn't see the plane hit. Do you have any reason to doubt his account?

 

[beachnut]

You say I am wrong I say you are wrong.

Goodnight.

You can not come up with g force or bank required to do your turn. Sorry, you are proven wrong.

No math, no prize. You are wrong because your turn is impossible as are your headings. You do not even come close to understanding how much bank angle and g force are required to make your IMPOSSIBLE turns.

I makes you wrong, and millions of pilots know this if they take the time to look at your turn which I can prove is a lie with witness statements, FDR, and the impact itself.

Simple turn chart of flight proves your turn impossible. Witness statements from your own witnesses prove you wrong. Wrong on everything. Perfectly wrong.

 

[ihaunter]

Edited by Darat: 

Content removed as per the recent announcement.

The end part of the turn, where it crosses interstate 495 is only about 5 miles away from the Pentagon. Do we know the altitude at that point? Five miles isn't that far to see an object that is in the sky.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Here's some more "Classic Gravy." You'll tune it out, though, because you only listen to the Lyte stations.


Army Staff Sergeant Mark Williams didn't see the plane hit. Therefore, the scorched passengers in the airline seats didn't exist, right, Craig?

I'd really like to know your stance towards this Lyte. Where did those bodies come from?


/S

 

[Mince]

Lyte, do you think the charred human bodies strapped into airline seats were also staged, or perhaps "dispersed from some other type of nearby detonation that happened at the same time"?



(Thanks Gravy)

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Scorched bodies with the stench of human flesh, Lyte Trip. Any thoughts?