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Imus be an idiot . . .

They should actually thank him for making people give a damn about them and women's basketball in general.

And anyone who is scarred for life by this has had way too comfortable an existance.
 
Did anyone see what Gwen Ifill had to say about this in today's NY Times?

"For all their grit, hard work and courage, the Rutgers girls got branded “nappy-headed ho’s” — a shockingly concise sexual and racial insult, tossed out in a volley of male camaraderie by a group of amused, middle-aged white men. The “joke” — as delivered and later recanted — by the radio and television personality Don Imus failed one big test: it was not funny."

That works for me.
 
pgwenthold said:
So racist remarks are acceptable if they are from someone non-important?
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I am glad you were able to extrapolate this from what I said. Versus something like "Why is this even a major news story since it wasn't racist or malicious and the person is someone the average joe has never even heard of?"
 
EBU said:
Did anyone see what Gwen Ifill had to say about this in today's NY Times?

"For all their grit, hard work and courage, the Rutgers girls got branded “nappy-headed ho’s” — a shockingly concise sexual and racial insult, tossed out in a volley of male camaraderie by a group of amused, middle-aged white men. The “joke” — as delivered and later recanted — by the radio and television personality Don Imus failed one big test: it was not funny."

That works for me.
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Works for me too. This is why racial humor works for Howard Stern and not for Imus. Howard is funny.
 
EBU said:
Did anyone see what Gwen Ifill had to say about this in today's NY Times?

"For all their grit, hard work and courage, ...
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It takes "courage" to play basketball? This whole thing has grown way, way out of proportion to its importance.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Sorry if this has been covered but when Howard Stern and Imus worked at the same station, Imus reduced a black coworker to tears calling her a "******" (ok, the "N" word). Stern has recanted this story on his radio show and Imus has admitted the fact that this happened on Larry King's show.
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Recanted would mean Stern withdrew the story, but if he recounted the tale, it means he told people about it. Is that what you meant to say, that Stern recounted the tale of Imus being a jerk to a black coworker?

Do Stern and Imus agree that it all happened on Larry King's show?

DR
 
It's simple...don't listen to his show. I don't. If enough people/advertisers get sick of him the show will fail.

Whether or not he is fired is not my concern. The people investing in his show are the only ones who should be worried about this.
 
Those of you who are dismissing Imus as a irrelevent, tell that to John McCain, who is booked to be on his show soon (this week, I think).

True irrelevence is exhibited by that McGuirk guy that called the players "jigaboos." Notice that no one is talking about that (I brought it up). That's because THAT guy is irrelevent.

Imus is a major media figure by any definition. Of course, whether he SHOULD be is a different story, but as it goes, he is a media figure.
 
pgwenthold said:
Those of you who are dismissing Imus as a irrelevent, tell that to John McCain, who is booked to be on his show soon (this week, I think).

True irrelevence is exhibited by that McGuirk guy that called the players "jigaboos." Notice that no one is talking about that (I brought it up). That's because THAT guy is irrelevent.

Imus is a major media figure by any definition. Of course, whether he SHOULD be is a different story, but as it goes, he is a media figure.
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That's not racist. Or at least it wasn't meant to be. It came from Spike Lee's "School daze" film per the "Jiggaboo/Wannabe" sequence.
 
BPSCG said:
Last I heard, he asked to do just that, but they [the Rutgers team] don't want to see him, preferring, I guess, their own self-righteous anger.
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This is false, self-serving speculation, as is made clear by the fact they are meeting with Imus.

Yet today, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama are upset because Imus said "nappy-haired ho's." Where has their outrage been all these years over rap lyrics? ... Why doesn't Sharpton picket the record labels that produce this garbage? Why doesn't he call for boycotts of the "artists" involved?
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This too is false, self-serving speculation.

Al Sharpton to call for a 90-day ban on radio and TV airplay for any artist using violence to settle a score or hype a record. link
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Calling for "dignity over degradation," Jesse Jackson recently implored the entertainment industry to cease in using the N-word. link
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The Rev. Al Sharpton, presidential candidate and high-profile agitator, has called obscene rappers "lowdown, devious things who are not worth the millions of dollars young people spend to make them stars." link
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Sharpton said:
To have something as despicable and violent as this projected as what goes on in our communities or any communities, is something everybody should boycott. link
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If the music industry won’t listen to Rev. Al Sharpton’s views on violence in music, then he will force them to. link
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Jesse Jackson also has launched a major drive indicting the denigrating influence of Gangsta Rap. link
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[Jackson/Rainbow Coalition] challenge to record industry heads to cease distributing records with violent and demeaning lyrics. link
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varwoche said:
This too is false, self-serving speculation.
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Pretty weak case you make with your examples. Let's review a few of them:
Al Sharpton to call for a 90-day ban on radio and TV airplay for any artist using violence to settle a score or hype a record. link
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Calls for a ban on rappers who use violence to settle scores. Doesn't get into rap lyrics at all.

Calling for "dignity over degradation," Jesse Jackson recently implored the entertainment industry to cease in using the N-word. link
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But not the "h" word, or the "b" word...

The Rev. Al Sharpton, presidential candidate and high-profile agitator, has called obscene rappers "lowdown, devious things who are not worth the millions of dollars young people spend to make them stars." link
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Sharpton calls obscene rappers "lowdown devious thugs" but there's nothing in the link that urges a boycott or firing of DJs who play their music or anything like that.

To have something as despicable and violent as this projected as what goes on in our communities or any communities, is something everybody should boycott. link
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This link has nothing whatsoever to do with foul rap lyrics. Sharpton is protesting a DVD game that portrays blacks as violent.

If the music industry won’t listen to Rev. Al Sharpton’s views on violence in music, then he will force them to. link
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Sharpton will "force them" to listen to what he has to say by buying stock in their companies. Did he ever actually do this? In any case, I thought when you disapproved of a company, you demanded that people divest themselves of its stock, not buy more of it.

[Jackson/Rainbow Coalition] challenge to record industry heads to cease distributing records with violent and demeaning lyrics. link
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Jackson's drive to clean up rap lyrics? Here's his action list:

* Youth march at the White House on April 4, (the day Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was assassinated) to call for an urban policy that includes jobs and justice.
* Meet with President Bill Clinton to discuss need for jobs bill, an urban policy and commitment to an anti-discrimination policy.
* Anti-violence conferences, similar to the one held in Washington, DC, to be held in other cities across the country.
* Challenge 100 churches to mentor 10 troubled youths in 10 different cities.
* Continue to challenge both students and parents to sign the Rainbow pledge to end violence.
* Challenge schools and jails to start mentoring programs.
* Escalate plan for an effective anti-discrimination policy.
* Study media influence on violence.
* Action campaign against racist films.
* Join Atlanta disc jockey Jack The Rapper in his challenge to record industry heads to cease distributing records with violent and demeaning lyrics.
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It's full of "challenges." And if the music industry declines the challenge, then what?

Sorry, this is all pretty thin gruel compared to what they're demanding of Imus.
 
BPSCG said:
Calls for a ban on rappers who use violence to settle scores. Doesn't get into rap lyrics at all.
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True, this cite was off the mark.

But not the "h" word, or the "b" word...
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This is pseudo-skeptical parsing. It is a clear example of Jackson challenging the content of rap lyrics. I suppose if it challenged "h" and "b" someone could gripe that it doesn't challenge "x" and "y".

Sharpton calls obscene rappers "lowdown devious thugs" but there's nothing in the link that urges a boycott or firing of DJs who play their music or anything like that.
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More pseudo-skeptical parsing, seeing as Sharpton does call for boycotts in other of the links I provided, and this link makes it clear that Sharpton has spoken out about obscene rap lyrics.

This link has nothing whatsoever to do with foul rap lyrics. Sharpton is protesting a DVD game that portrays blacks as violent.
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There is nothing magical about rap versus other entertainment mediums, except for cheap debate points.

Sharpton will "force them" to listen to what he has to say by buying stock in their companies. Did he ever actually do this? In any case, I thought when you disapproved of a company, you demanded that people divest themselves of its stock, not buy more of it.
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I have no idea if he followed up. And the effectiveness of the tactic is not the point. Your false speculation posing as fact is the point.

Jackson's drive to clean up rap lyrics? Here's his action list:
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So what? One of the items had to do with rap lyrics. You should just admit you are wrong instead of reaching for cheap debate points.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
That's not racist. Or at least it wasn't meant to be. It came from Spike Lee's "School daze" film per the "Jiggaboo/Wannabe" sequence.
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No, it did not "come from" there, as in "originated" there.

I have news for you, youngster. That word's been around a lot longer than Spike himself, and it is absolutely racist. It refers to only one people: black people.

You don't fool me, kid. Though it is somewhat sad to see how you're fooling yourself.
 
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