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Imus be an idiot . . .

Donal said:
fixed that for you.
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Thanks, but it was fine the way it was. If you have something to say that you can stand behind, perhaps you'll put the words in your own mouth, and not mine.
 
hgc said:
Thanks, but it was fine the way it was. If you have something to say that you can stand behind, perhaps you'll put the words in your own mouth, and not mine.
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As soon as you extend me the courtesy of not trying to twist my words. Thanks so much.
 
corplinx said:
I halfway expected this kind of response (because your posting style is pretty predictable and rarely deviates). Let me just mentor you a little.

White people don't go around calling black people nappy headed as a slur!

Making fun of someone's nappiness is a black thing! Its part of the black on black hazing process.

There isn't some backlash going on about white people calling blacks nappy headed and the blacks finally doing something about it.

This whole thing is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.
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Are you kidding me? I have heard too many racisit jokes where the punchline is nappy hair.
 
Donal said:
As soon as you extend me the courtesy of not trying to twist my words. Thanks so much.
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The girls need to get over it. They are grown women who have no issue with a national spotlight when being complimented. Take the good with the bad. The reports of them high-fiving when they heard of his suspension are pathetic.
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Is this not telling them how to feel? You are full of crap. Thanks again.
 
Well, according to MSNBC.com, the Rutgers team has agreed to meet with Imus.
 
hgc said:
Is this not telling them how to feel? You are full of crap. Thanks again.
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No, because I don't address their emotions, merely their actions.

I agree what Imus said was horrible and he should appologize. They also have the right not to accept it.

But high fiving as if they won something (granted its been a while since they have won something) is a little over the top and makes them look petty. It also gives comments like his more power than they should have.

They know they are in the public spotlight and they continue to do what got them there. This isn't the worst thing said about female basketball players by media personalities.
 
hgc said:
Have any rappers specifically targeted the Rutgers Womens basketball team?
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Well, if you're going to take the position that nobody need be upset over hateful, demeaning, misogynistic public speech until they become the specific target, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, if you're going to take the position that nobody need be upset over hateful, demeaning, misogynistic public speech until they become the specific target, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree.
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Yes, if I were to take that position, you probably would disagree. Keep an eye out for it. You never know what kinds of kooky things I'll say.

Back to reality: You and I have no idea what these women have felt or said about rap lyrics in the past. The only reason we're cognizant of them in relation to this issue is because of the way that Imus called attention to them. So I don't understand why "[you] have to ask if they have been at the forefront of getting rappers to clean up their lyrics." If the Rutgers Womens basketball team had been targeted by rappers in a public way before, then we would all have an ear open to how the Rutgers Womens basketball team had reacted. Barring that, they were just another of hundreds of womens college basketball teams, among thousands of black woman college athletes. How could they predict that one day Imus would mock them specifically in such a public fashion so that they could get to the forefront of criticizing rappers so as to head off your insinuation? Hmmm?
 
Katana said:
Well, according to MSNBC.com, the Rutgers team has agreed to meet with Imus.
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They threw him a lifeline. Lucky for Imus. I can only hope that there are no TV cameras to record it.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, if you're going to take the position that nobody need be upset over hateful, demeaning, misogynistic public speech until they become the specific target, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree.
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This makes no sense in practice. This means that everyone that supported the war in Afgainstain need to shut up because I was calling for an invasion in 1999 after learning about the conditions under the Taliban. Or, if you are not for war against Iraq you can't be for war in the Sudan.
 
Uh-oh...
The women's basketball Coach C. Vivian Stringer blasted Imus for his comments and said the team members are "young ladies of class, distinction. They are articulate..."
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Hope she's working on her apology.
 
hgc said:
Yes, if I were to take that position, you probably would disagree. Keep an eye out for it. You never know what kinds of kooky things I'll say.
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True; you never cease to surprise me...:rolleyes:
Back to reality:
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Nitpick. For you to get "back to reality," you had to have actually been there at one time...:rolleyes: (you're giving me all kinds of material to work with today - thanks!)
You and I have no idea what these women have felt or said about rap lyrics in the past.
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That is correct. You did notice the I used the word "if," right?

So I don't understand why "[you] have to ask if they have been at the forefront of getting rappers to clean up their lyrics." If the Rutgers Womens basketball team had been targeted by rappers in a public way before, then we would all have an ear open to how the Rutgers Womens basketball team had reacted. Barring that, they were just another of hundreds of womens college basketball teams, among thousands of black woman college athletes. How could they predict that one day Imus would mock them specifically in such a public fashion so that they could get to the forefront of criticizing rappers so as to head off your insinuation? Hmmm?
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Okay, so I guess you are saying they had no reason to object to ugly rapper lyrics as long as they weren't the specific targets. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
 
BPSCG said:
Okay, so I guess you are saying they had no reason to object to ugly rapper lyrics as long as they weren't the specific targets. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
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No, no, no, no, no. Am I really that inarticulate? Or is the problem on the receiving end?

You feel you have to ask if they have been at the forefront of criticizing rappers' lyrics. I don't know why you have to ask this. Until 3 days ago, these women had no public platform for anything but playing basketball -- certainly not socio-political issues like we are discussing now. Now that they've been dragged into a public sh|tstorm by the actions of a prominent media figure, you seem to think its incumbent on them to have publicly objected before if they're going to publicly object now. Or what did you mean by "at the forefront?"
 
corplinx said:
I halfway expected this kind of response (because your posting style is pretty predictable and rarely deviates). Let me just mentor you a little.

White people don't go around calling black people nappy headed as a slur!
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Haven't spent much time in Georgia, as I have, have you?

Haven't had the "privilege" of hearing a sweet little 8-year-old white child refuse to "play with that nappy-headed nigra ever again!" have you? In the 1990s, no less, not the 1890s.

Making fun of someone's nappiness is a black thing! Its part of the black on black hazing process.
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Yes. It emerged from slavery. From the social rejection of those whose mothers were raped by their white owners, producing children who weren't "as black" as those whose parents were both slaves. One couldn't very well lash out at the white owners, for obvious reasons, so the anger was turned against the children, who were blameless, but also not in a position to have you lynched.

I assume you've heard the phrase "the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice?" If not, look it up sometime. Especially its origins....

There isn't some backlash going on about white people calling blacks nappy headed and the blacks finally doing something about it.

This whole thing is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.
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No. This backlash has been going on for quite some time now. No one, I'd venture to say, is naive enough to think the issue either begins or ends with this particular incident.
 
Tailgater said:
From the other thread:

Imus might not be a racist, but the comment was. You can split hairs over the specific definition of "nappy", but it is meant to be an insult. Blacks call other blacks nappy when their hair is unclean and pressed down in a tight fashion past small curls. Other races use nappyhead as racist slang. I usually hear it from hillbillys named Bobby Jo. Ho is used to call a woman a whore or slut. You call a woman a "ho" out of disrespect. If you use these terms together and think it's OK and no big deal, you are either ignorant or a racist womanizer.
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Or. as I like to say "rule8ing rule8hole"! But, then, I'm polite.:)
 
So when is the JREF autocensor going to start turning "nappy" into "*****"?
 
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