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I am so angry!

Oh but to answer your question I used to not use anger in my posts but now I really could care less. If you look at my posts on the unmonitered forum at SLC, my posts are VERY profane these days. I try to tone it down here though.
 
Chris,
Glad to hear you've wrapped you arms, figuratively, around the situation. I don't know how I'd react if my brother or a close friend began spouting this stuff. Probably much the same way as you did.

(Sorry for the digression. It's one of those "can't tell the players without a scorecard" situations. MirageMemories is a Canadian Truther who seems to follow T.A.M. around (T.A.M. being a Canadian) to post condescending and meaningless digs. He's just annoying, and as you can see, he achieves his goal of getting us riled up.)
 
Chris,

I would also suggest that you point your brother to the following sites if they have not already been suggested:

Debunking 911 Myths

Gravy's Loose Change Viewer's Guide

Best of luck to you. And don't lose heart. While it is true that even intelligent people can be sucked into believing ridiculous conspiracy theories, nearly all of them will come to realize how unfounded and ridiculous they are when presented with facts and evidence.
 
Quad, i've wanted to post the same way now for a long while.

i try to keep calm, ratinoal and respectful because i want innocent folk to read opposing argument before they get sucked into this 911 CT crap. while i'm in the US, it's not the denial in 911 CTs that upsets me. i get pissed when those who ought to now better-- avery!-- continue to knowingly lie to others. i get pissed at the general lack of respect 911 CTers show when "arguing" their cases. i get pissed at the blatent double standards 911 CTers illustrate when dealing with "evidence".
 
T.A.M. said:
I agree, and often use something very similar. The first reply often wreaks of emotion, anger, and profanity. That one I erase.

TAM:)
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That's good bedside manner, Doc.

As for me: Sometimes I'll kick 'em in the teeth with the first post, and let it ride.

In the second post, I'll offer to call the dentist.
 
OMGturt1es said:
i get pissed at the blatent double standards 911 CTers illustrate when dealing with "evidence".
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This is the single most irritating thing abut CT's, IMO. They refuse to apply the same scrutiny to their information sources as they do to the 'official story'.
 
kimota said:
The Kübler-Ross model applies to many things, not just death. Concerning the twoofers, it might go something like this:
1. Denial - They're not really serious about these theories, are they?
2. Anger - Ye Gods! What [rule8]ing idiots!!
3. Bargaining - Well, if I present the facts, perhaps they will see the error of their ways.
4. Depression - *SIGH* Don't they ever listen to reason? I don't see the point; it's like talking to a wall dressed in a black t-shirt.
5. Acceptance - Well, there's some utter nutters out there. Always have been; this is just a different flavor. But I can still speak for the benefit of some confused fence-sitters who might come through.
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This is truer than many people realise, however in the case of truthers it is quite difficult to avoid slipping back into number two every so often...

You also find yourself being accused for ridiculous things at every turn.

Sometimes I think the truthers think that Gravy brought the towers down...
 
Mobyseven said:
<snip>Sometimes I think the truthers think that Gravy brought the towers down...
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Reading comprehension CT style:

OMG - the JREFers admitted that Gravy brought down the towers!!!!one111eleventy1

/reading comprehension CT style

:D
 
ConspiRaider said:
That's good bedside manner, Doc.

As for me: Sometimes I'll kick 'em in the teeth with the first post, and let it ride.

In the second post, I'll offer to call the dentist.
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as long as you dont call me;)

TAM:)
 
I was posting on another forum in 2001 and having at it concerning Apollo Hoax, UFO's and politics. I was absolutely floored when someone first posted about it being a giant conspiracy. That was first that the towers were set with explosives, then the Pentagon was hit by a missile, my shock continued later when the no-planers showed up.

I have looked at the 'evidence' that the 'truth movement' puts forth and found wanting at every step.

MM is Canadian? As another Canuck I am shamed by even this slim association with him.
I certainly find a few other Canadians on this forum to be rational beings at least.

I try real hard not to post my exact, colloquial, assessment of many 'truther' posters. I have used techniques similar to what some above have described. I often create a post then edit it before submitting or even post it only to immediately edit out nasty bits.(anyone reading one of these before the edit is submitted would see them)

I have simply lost patience with some. JDX for instance who has made it abundantly obvious that he is not actually interested in doing all he can to determine the 'TRUTH' and who simply basks in the reverence of his coterie. I pity others such as Christophera. My true anger is reserved for people such as Fetzer, Reynolds and Wood who's ravings are so insane yet who have positions from which they can look authorative to uninformed individuals.
 
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gumboot said:
For me personally I have the "advantage" of being far removed from the events themselves. I frankly took very little interest in 9/11 until after I was exposed to the conspiracy theories. It was just something terrible that happened in another country.

This personal detachment allows me to avoid getting overly emotional about things - most of my emotion tends to be disbelief that people can be so stupid, rather than outrage relating to the event itself.

Having said that, the repeated exposure to some of the more explicity details of these events have exposed me fairly thoroughly to the personal horror and tragedy of the event.

-Gumboot
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It's a bit the same for me. I live in Australia, and the actual number killed was not that different to the people killed in various disasters around the world we hear about. The {evil} genius of Bin Laden was what made this event so different. Here was a spectacular event being played out live on TV. The twin towers, one hit first, so the media would be watching, then the next tower hit with all the cameras focused on the strike.

The truthers are what appear to me to be a peculiarly American phenomenon. All countries have such nuts, but the USA seems to have the population size and facilities available to bring such nutters to a critical mass where they can take on a life of their own that is bigger than nutters in other countries could hope to achieve. You just have to look at their website and the pitiful history of their ideas presented here to pretty quickly come to the conclusion it is all based on evidence so flimsy it makes a house of cards look solid.

This critical mass, however, appears to be able to convince people that a basically insane idea could be true because they appear to have a legitimacy that is beyond what they really warrant.
 
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The truthers are what appear to me to be a peculiarly American phenomenon.
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Now to be fair we have some nuts here in Australia too. Just nowhere near as "active" as in America (protests and the like).

I never did hear about any conspiracy theories relating to the Bali Bombings, but there is at least one around regarding Martin Bryant and the Port Arthur Massacre.
 
Mobyseven said:
Now to be fair we have some nuts here in Australia too. Just nowhere near as "active" as in America (protests and the like).

I never did hear about any conspiracy theories relating to the Bali Bombings, but there is at least one around regarding Martin Bryant and the Port Arthur Massacre.
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I heard one about the Bali bombing a while back.

Something about "mini-nukes"... I'll try and find it.

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http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1715.cfm

ETA II:
Found a thread from this forum :p
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62787

Also
http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_nuke.htm
 
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Mobyseven said:
Now to be fair we have some nuts here in Australia too. Just nowhere near as "active" as in America (protests and the like).

I never did hear about any conspiracy theories relating to the Bali Bombings, but there is at least one around regarding Martin Bryant and the Port Arthur Massacre.
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That's what I said, the USA allows them to reach a critical mass similar nutters in Australia can't reach. It has a bigger population, so it has more nutters, and has the infrastructure in place to enable them to be better organised and appear to be more than what they are.
 
cgallaga said:
Right now I can do nothing other than think about bitch slapping my brother.
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Chris,

You could try what I did in a similar situation. I composed and e-mailed my brother a spoof CT article in which I "proved" that I was a major player in the 9/11 attacks. I'm not sure whether it changed his opinions, but it seemed to engage his skeptical faculties rather more than previously.

Dave
 
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There are truthers all over the world, but here (in Sweden) the movement is more about swallowing as much CT as possible and regurgitate it in a big confused mess on forums. Also, most theories that people believe in are of american origin.

Edit: Oh, and the CT:ers pisses me off a lot, but I learned how to control my anger a long time ago when I first encountered creationists.
 
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