Where Do You Go For Your Science News?

Kaylee

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This thread is prompted from the skeptigirl's post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2495717#post2495717

in the "How did the scientists find the poison in the pet food thread?"

Skeptigirl post was in response to this bad science blog entry:
"Don't Dumb Me Down" a commentary on the sad state of affairs that passes itself off as scientific journalism. (Thanks to Wudang for posting the posting the link.)

IMHO, both the bad science blog entry and skeptigirl's response are highly worth reading.

And it got me wondering -- where do JREFers go for science news? For myself I still get most of it from the mass media (mostly the NY Times) and this forum. I'm looking for a better source than the NY Times for all the reasons mentioned in the above links, and I'm also looking forward to the recommendations! :) TIA
 
This thread is prompted from the skeptigirl's post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2495717#post2495717

in the "How did the scientists find the poison in the pet food thread?"

Skeptigirl post was in response to this bad science blog entry:
"Don't Dumb Me Down" a commentary on the sad state of affairs that passes itself off as scientific journalism. (Thanks to Wudang for posting the posting the link.)

IMHO, both the bad science blog entry and skeptigirl's response are highly worth reading.

And it got me wondering -- where do JREFers go for science news? For myself I still get most of it from the mass media (mostly the NY Times) and this forum. I'm looking for a better source than the NY Times for all the reasons mentioned in the above links, and I'm also looking forward to the recommendations! :) TIA
Here are two good articles on science reporting:
Columbia Journalism Review by Mooney and Nisbet
http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/5/mooney.asp

Follow up by Nisbet
http://www.csicop.org/scienceandmedia/id/

As they describe- too much science reporting is done by people who think that (almost) any opinion is worth reporting, as opposed to facts trumping opinions. In limited circumstances, the reporters know there is no valid, alternative opinion (the earth is not flat, and there is no positive side to child abuse); otherwise, they just pass along what they hear.

This is an interesting topic- I look forward to more discussion.
 
I love this forum and I learn a lot here.

I also love Seed magazine.

I like Scientific American Mind, Ben Goldacre's Bad Science and the rest of the Science page on the Guardian Online, but whenever I read something new, I always come here and see what everyone is saying about it. It helps me know what to question and whether I should research further.
 
I subscribed to Science News for a long time--it's a tiny little weekly, but well done, I think.
 
How wonderful of you to give me a platform to rant about my take on skepticism and the media. :D

There are many sources now on the web about media literacy, which is where everyone should start if they haven't already educated themselves on this topic. Media literacy has the basic rundown on the topic from a to z. Media Literacy Online Project is an excellent source for sources on the subject.

For kids, Don't Buy It, Get Media Smart is a great place to start. I can't believe how many adults are clueless about advertising persuasion tactics. It's clear we need to add this critical information to basic public education.

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With any science news regardless of the source, I start by hunting down the original research being reported on and read the abstract for myself. It's such a simple step.

Better news articles will cite the source making it easier to find. Newspapers give you hints to go on like, "reported in xyz conference today" or they might name a researcher or a university or company and you have to use Google to find it. It takes a bit of time at first but it's faster once you get used to which url addresses are more fruitful and which retrieved links are not.

Sometimes the report is from an early news release or conference report and not yet published. And sometimes you run into paid subscription access only. When that happens and I'm really interested, I'll look for additional research on the same topic. One thing about research, if it isn't repeatable, it isn't yet reliable.

Keep in mind, the news is a for profit enterprise in the US and in most countries. They will often take free news from anyone willing to provide it. If you are a company which wants to sell something, you give the news media press releases and "video news releases" ready made for screening or publishing. Advertisers, because they research their tools, learned a long time ago that people trust the news more than they trust advertising. Since that time an entire industry has grown up making advertisements that look like news.

The news media that use these ready made products don't have to have connections to the company selling the product though sometimes that is involved. More often it is a matter of zero production or investigation costs. A number of media outlets have used video news releases without revealing as the law requires the source of the piece. They have even gone so far as to fake inserting their newscaster into the video supposedly asking questions of the person in the pre-made video.

Another thing I do when I see a story, be it about science, or more often it is making some political or religious claim of fact, is to investigate the source first. You might find out the source is an 'institute' (there are thousands) and they have a religious or political agenda. If the Discovery Institute is behind the release of some breaking science news or the Heritage Foundation releases a report on how well things are going in Iraq, you can assume the story is not likely to be what it appears to be.

Source watch reports on the background of information sources and the political history of people in the news. PR Watch reports directly on the marketing industry or on the use of marketing by various groups and people. Both of these sites are maintained by The Center for Media and Democracy. As is their excellent Spin of the Day feature.

Fact checking (if it is science and political like global warming or government interference with science reporting):

Media Matters is a political fact check site. Contrary to popular belief I have seen some left wing stories called on their facts along with the right wing spin that is exposed on the Media Matters website.

While there is a right wing equivalent, Accuracy in Media or AIM which claims to be a source disclosing lies from the left, they do not support their claims with much evidence. I read their information, and I cite them here to avoid the usual accusation I merely look for confirmation of what I already believe. I would hope by now it is obvious I look for supporting evidence, not confirmation of beliefs. None of us is perfectly unbiased. If you show me the evidence, I might interpret it differently than someone else, but I won't dismiss it. AIM has a lot of opinion and a lot less supporting basis for those opinions.

If you don't believe me about AIM, check out last month's feature, AIM Report: Media Promote Global Warming Fraud - March A; March 8, 2007. One clue is the subheading following the introduction. It reads, "Faith-Based Science". This month features AIM Report: Reed Irvine Awards Recognize Media Excellence - April A; April 6, 2007

Michelle Malkin and Mark Alexander were named the recipients of the annual Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award. Following are their remarks accepting the awards, and AIM chairman Don Irvine's comments about the legacy of his father, AIM founder Reed Irvine.
And there you have some revealing information on the source of the AIM website. Media Matters also admittedly has the goal of checking conservative facts.

I'll be happy to add any valid right wing source to my list of source checking sites if anyone wants to suggest some better sources. And by all means, expose away if you see false claims on the left wing sites. There are plenty of woo supporters who manage to get their unsupported claims accepted by these organizations.

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Other useful sites:

The Skeptic's Dictionary's Critical Thinking Mini-Lessons

The Google Scholar search engine narrows the results one is looking for in science research.

Wikipedia while not always reliable is a great place to find information sources, often with convenient links. Go to the bottom of the article. Linking to the highlighted words in an article links to other Wiki articles. But sometimes I do go to another article to track down a source.

For the medical field:

PLoS Medicine is a "peer reviewed open-access journal published by the Public Library of Science".

PubMed is the common search engine used for a lot of research. Most of the links are to abstracts or titles only. I have sometimes found free sources for the full articles by searching on Google or Google Scholar.

The CDC, WHO, local, state, or any country's public health agencies are usually reliable sources of infectious disease and vaccine information. During the SARS outbreak I found the Hong Kong public health web site had a very useful English webpage.

For all science fields:

Science blogs can lead you to the blogs with your interests at heart. I don't know how or if they review the blogs before linking them. Maybe someone else can comment on that.

UWTV has some wonderful science programs if you have an hour.

If anyone has similar links from other universities, I'd love to see them. I've seen all these programs I have had an interest in and I want more! It's school without the homework or tests, and just the electives you really wanted.

I'd also be interested in the journal search sites for other fields besides medicine. They need to be open access to at least the abstracts or they won't do those of us not in those fields any good.
 
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And I'll be the first to say while New Scientist isn't bad, but there was at least one article they published which was more fad than fact and which annoyed me. They mixed hypothesis up with the evidence (to put it in Ben Goldacre's words). That was the one claiming allergies were developing because we didn't expose kids to enough dirt.
 
And I'll be the first to say while New Scientist isn't bad, but there was at least one article they published which was more fad than fact and which annoyed me. They mixed hypothesis up with the evidence (to put it in Ben Goldacre's words). That was the one claiming allergies were developing because we didn't expose kids to enough dirt.

For about ten years I read New Scientists from cover to cover every week, and kept it for later reference (which added up to quite a stack of magazines!) But then the sort of article you mention started cropping up more and more; there's something like that in there every week now, it seems. It's new, it's sort of sciencey, and in it goes. Grrrr.

Still read Scientific American, and subscribe to a bunch of science podcasts, though I don't have a particular one I recommend yet.

Oh, and I come here. :)
 
For about ten years I read New Scientists from cover to cover every week, and kept it for later reference (which added up to quite a stack of magazines!) But then the sort of article you mention started cropping up more and more; there's something like that in there every week now, it seems. It's new, it's sort of sciencey, and in it goes. Grrrr.

I think you probably have the usual editorial tensions between how scientific the publication should be whilst still remaining a popular science magazine....and also market driven pressures with regards to the type of stories to feature....certainly there seems to be a tendency towards speculative astrophysics - but as we saw from the wholly unscientific JREF poll "What Science is best?" that is what people find most interesting....and interesting = £££ :)
 
For about ten years I read New Scientists from cover to cover every week, and kept it for later reference (which added up to quite a stack of magazines!) But then the sort of article you mention started cropping up more and more; there's something like that in there every week now, it seems. It's new, it's sort of sciencey, and in it goes. Grrrr.

Call me Colonel Blimp, but NS has never been so good as it was in the days of John Hillaby and Bernard Dixon. It seems to be "trying to appeal " to a particular market, instead of just giving us the facts.

I tend to read science popularisations by writers like Dawkins , Dennett and Ridley for "summaries of the field" and browse the internet for new stuff. I still have a reader's ticket for my old Uni library and read the periodicals there- Geology mostly. I also shamelessly e-mail actual working scientists. A surprising number actually reply.
 
I listen to NPR's Science Friday religiously, Ira Flatow always has a good show. The campus bookstore has a good selection of science periodicals, and I often just scan the covers for interesting stories. (then, being too cheap to actually buy the rag, I go to the internet site....)
I used to enjoy the old OMNI magazine, and still miss it. A nice collection of cutting-edge science writing and science-fiction.
I get daily newsfeeds from the science areas of Reuters, AP, etc.
 

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