10 story hole in WTC 7

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Miragememories said:
I still feel that the picture clarity is sufficient to prove that the NIST (NYPD) photo is missing data that should be showing!
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Good, good. Now, since you've admitted that it's just a feeling, what other evidence do you have ? Give up, yet ?

That's nit-picking.
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Ah, yes. Showing that your contention is shaky is nit-picking.

You guys are trying awfully hard to pretend you don't see the obvious.
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Wrong. I do see the difference. But I, for one, won't jump to the conclusion that what my brain can't see, necessarily doesn't exist -- or vice-versa, in fact.
 
Miragememories said:
I'm quite aware that photographs are 2-dimensional records of 3-dimensional views.

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The point is, that NIST put out that photo because they wanted it to be part of their argument that this debris-created corner damage assisted in the ultimate collapse of WTC7. Their photo fails the test and in a side-by-side comparison with a straight on shot of that WTC7 corner, reveals inexplicable differences unless the photo has been intentionally altered.

Clearly the primary interest here is to protect the dogmatic belief in the NIST Official Story and ignore or bury any evidence to the contrary.

MM
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"Clearly"? An alternative view would be that the photo that clearly shows damage is simply the more accurate picture. If the damage that was witnessed by firefighters on the scene is masked by the straight-on shot in the photo on the right, then choosing the picture that more accurately shows the damage is the right thing to do. It's too bad the pic on the right is not a stereoscopic pic, or a clip from a video where the camera itself is moving (not just scanning from one spot). The hypothesis that the z-axis damage is masked by the camera's position is quite testable with additional pics from other vantages. Until that hypothesis is refuted, the differences you note are not "inexplicable". You may not like that explanation, but it is reasonable.

Got any other shots of that corner?
 
I know I'm a late arrival here and may have missed a lotta brilliant posts - but did someone explain why WTC#7 collapsed?''

What happened to the remains? Were they shipped off to China as well - or are they filling the potholes in NYC? Anyone here post details of who shut down the building for 'security' reasons? - you know, the names of those who did the work? How many people were involved? What do we know about them and their 'affiliations'? Any of them buy big houses or fast cars recently? - or go on extended vacations? Change jobs, perhaps?

Hmmm...questions, questions, questions...and then some more questions.
 
GodSend said:
I know I'm a late arrival here and may have missed a lotta brilliant posts - but did someone explain why WTC#7 collapsed?''

What happened to the remains? Were they shipped off to China as well - or are they filling the potholes in NYC? Anyone here post details of who shut down the building for 'security' reasons? - you know, the names of those who did the work? How many people were involved? What do we know about them and their 'affiliations'? Any of them buy big houses or fast cars recently? - or go on extended vacations? Change jobs, perhaps?

Hmmm...questions, questions, questions...and then some more questions.
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You must have been away for years. The NIST did give a draft of how the building may have collapsed.

While we're asking questions, Have the conspiracy theorists found a single explosive or blasting cap? Have they found explosive chemicals around GZ? How many of the conspiracy theorist leaders bought big houses or fast cars recently? What do we know about them and their 'affiliations'? Are they conservatives who hate government perhaps? How much money did they make off their books and CD's? :covereyes
 
Mercutio said:
"Clearly"? An alternative view would be that the photo that clearly shows damage is simply the more accurate picture. If the damage that was witnessed by firefighters on the scene is masked by the straight-on shot in the photo on the right, then choosing the picture that more accurately shows the damage is the right thing to do. It's too bad the pic on the right is not a stereoscopic pic, or a clip from a video where the camera itself is moving (not just scanning from one spot). The hypothesis that the z-axis damage is masked by the camera's position is quite testable with additional pics from other vantages. Until that hypothesis is refuted, the differences you note are not "inexplicable". You may not like that explanation, but it is reasonable.

Got any other shots of that corner?
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In this video at around the 1:40 mark you can see the top of the corner damage and it seems to match up with the NIST photo:
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FactCheck:

Thanks! I guess we should wait for the Final NIST report. While we're waiting, who was allowed to sift through the remains? Is there a public inventory of what WAS found? - and by whom? - and where that item is NOW? Well, I'm sure that there's $$$ being made by a whole bunch of folks involved in this issue. Now Larry Silverstein, he's made off with a WHOLE BUNCH!, that much we know :) Conservatives hate the Gov't??? You mean the Gov't is not made up of Conservatives? And why would anybody hate the Gov't? Have they done anything REALLY bad?! Read the latest Paul Levy article about what the Gov't has done :) If you can't find the article, go to "Sons of Light vs. Sons of Darkness" in the General Academics/Religion & Philosophy category.
 
GodSend said:
FactCheck:

Thanks! I guess we should wait for the Final NIST report. While we're waiting, who was allowed to sift through the remains? Is there a public inventory of what WAS found? - and by whom? - and where that item is NOW? Well, I'm sure that there's $$$ being made by a whole bunch of folks involved in this issue. Now Larry Silverstein, he's made off with a WHOLE BUNCH!, that much we know :) Conservatives hate the Gov't??? You mean the Gov't is not made up of Conservatives? And why would anybody hate the Gov't? Have they done anything REALLY bad?! Read the latest Paul Levy article about what the Gov't has done :) If you can't find the article, go to "Sons of Light vs. Sons of Darkness" in the General Academics/Religion & Philosophy category.
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Please tell me, how much has Larry Silverstein received from his insurers? How much will the construction of the new WTC cost? How much money has he paid since 9/11 just so he can maintain the right to rebuild?

Other people can expand more on this, but until then I recommend you visit this site:
http://www.911myths.com/html/windfall.html
 
It's interesting that the conspirators had the foresight to know that the collapse of the larger tower would cause just enough damage to WTC 7 to make several observers think it was going to collapse and trick the nation's structural engineers into thinking there was nothing amiss with the collapse--but not quite enough damage to remove the necessity for explosives altogether.
 
Unfit4Command:

The short answer is: ENOUGH!

The longer answer is: There are a lot of circumspect details about the timing and 'structuring' details of Larry Silverstein's WTC insurance 'arrangements'. Worth investigating, for sure. And is Larry Silverstein a Zionist with some VERY interesting 'connections'? You betcha! ;)

One pregnant question is: "What did Larry Silverstein know about 9/11 and when did he know it?" ;)
 
Fair warning: GodSend does not engage in discussion.

Don't expect anything to penetrate that thick Nazi head.
 
csr:

OK then, let's investigate the insurance companies! Any Zionists on their BoDs? What Synagogue do they attend? (all together now: "The Synagogues of Satan", perhaps ;) What country Clubs (and other clubs) do they belong to? Or, to approach it from the usual direction: What skeletons are in their closets?

The investigations must burrow VERY deep - down the last tunnel in the rabbit hole ;)
 
GodSend said:
csr:

OK then, let's investigate the insurance companies! Any Zionists on their BoDs? What Synagogue do they attend? (all together now: "The Synagogues of Satan", perhaps ;) What country Clubs (and other clubs) do they belong to? Or, to approach it from the usual direction: What skeletons are in their closets?

The investigations must burrow VERY deep - down the last tunnel in the rabbit hole ;)
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It take you are prepared to apply your investigation towards Al Qaeda also. I take you are going to research extensively the global terror network and how they transfer funds around.

Once you have please let me know your findings. Please let me know why you have concluded,that this organisation did not fund the 911 attacks and did not plan it.

Let me know when you have burrowed deep into the world of global Terrorist network financing and what rabbit you find.

Or is it better to simply blame the Jews?

BTW why did Isreal warn the US of the attacks beforehand any idea?

Edit, instead of posting claim upon claim in this thread maybe you could start your own in future and show everybody your full and comprehensive understanding of global terrorism, how it is financed and why you believe this terrorist network did not have the financial backing , motive or means to carry out 911.
 
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GodSend said:
Unfit4Command:

The short answer is: ENOUGH!
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In other words, you don't know or care to find out.

The longer answer is: There are a lot of circumspect details about the timing and 'structuring' details of Larry Silverstein's WTC insurance 'arrangements'. Worth investigating, for sure. And is Larry Silverstein a Zionist with some VERY interesting 'connections'? You betcha! ;)

One pregnant question is: "What did Larry Silverstein know about 9/11 and when did he know it?" ;)
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Which does not answer the question asked at all.

Perhaps you missed your calling. You avoided the question asked and substituted an answer to a question that was not in any way called for. In that you would make a great politician. Sure you are a one trick pony (you can shout "Zionists,Zionists")but there's quite a few one-trick-ponies in politics.
 
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Insurance companies pay out depending on what you are going to do.If a business burns down and the owner decides not to rebuild then he gets less than if he had rebuilt and if he recieves any monies saying he will rebuild and does not they will sue for the money back. In the case of very large policies such as Silverman's they cut cheques only as construction is a go. So far they have paid out only for the re-construction that has occured. He will get more as building plans get finalized, which due to inter-governmental squabbling about what is 'proper', is taking a very long time. Silverstein may have loss of business insurance but that has a limit which he has probably already reached.

Rrramon also brings up a good point that Godsend just can't bring himself to think about too deeply.

All of this brings us around to the fact that nothing Godsend has written in this thread has anything at all to do with the topic of this thread.

I highly doubt that he has anything at all to offer in the way of a scientific or engineering arguement.
 
Unfit4Command said:
In this video at around the 1:40 mark you can see the top of the corner damage and it seems to match up with the NIST photo
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Yup! And there is another fairly clear shot between 1:00 and 1:20 (wasn't watching the timer closely, but the shot lasts for a few seconds). It looks, as it should, different from either of the other two photos, and it really does look as if the z-axis movement explains the apparent difference between the first two photos.

Good find!
 
stateofgrace: (better than most) ;)

I have no problem, whatsoever, with any investigations of Al-Qaeda - provided they are carried out by a certifiably independent investigative body (that leaves out just about any US or Israeli participants). However, I have it on good authority (personal experience) that the 'War on Terror', in addition to being an oxymoron, is a Zionist fabrication, including ObL. To make a long and torturous story short (pun intended), check out my thread "Sons of Light vs. Sons of Darkness" in the General Academics/Religion & Philosophy category. It was moved there from Conspiracy Theories by the JREF PTB to keep the article by Paul Levy and my website out of the limelight.

The truth about 9/11 and the other Bush Gov't 'shenanigans' (aka 'high crimes and misdemeanors') WILL be outed - it's just a matter of time - give it just a little more time...tra, la, la...;) Hello, Rosie, where have you been? Where are the rest of you? Aha...........here they come............:)
 
It's been a long time since I've been followed around by a chipmunk ;) Could be he's been brainwashed by Radiohead's "Follow me around" :eek:

Here, chippy, chippy......come get your nuts cracked - again! :eek:

PS I'm glad they're coming to take you away - as far away as possible ;)
 
GodSend said:
It's been a long time since I've been followed around by a chipmunk ;) Could be he's been brainwashed by Radiohead's "Follow me around" :eek:

Here, chippy, chippy......come get your nuts cracked - again! :eek:

PS I'm glad they're coming to take you away - as far away as possible ;)
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Does God's love include childish insults and immature behavior? Or are you here just to show how low you really are? If so, it's working!
 
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