Thomas Jefferson's admiration and financial support of Christianity

[DOC]

Justice Hugo Black - KKK - Anti-Catholic??

Here's and excerpt from what Wiki about Justice Hugo Black:

Black was asked to defend the Reverend Edwin R. Stephenson, a Klansman who had been accused of shooting to death Rev. James Coyle, leader of the large Catholic community at Saint Paul's Parish in Birmingham, in a trial where the presiding judge, as well as several members of the jury, were Klansmen. Black is reported to have approached prosecution witnesses with the question "You're a Catholic, aren't you?" in an attempt to discredit them before the Klan-dominated jury.[citation needed] The jury ultimately acquitted Stephenson. Some scholars, such as Daniel L. Dreisbach of the American University, believe that Hugo Black's later support for a separation of church and state was based on such an anti-Catholic animus. Black became a member of the Robert E. Lee Klan No. 1, a branch of the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham, in 1923.[2] He claimed that he remained in the KKK only until 1925, and that during that time attended no more than four meetings before his resignation. However, in 1926, he not only attended a State Convention of the KKK but addressed the delegates as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Black

 

[lolurigeller]

A little off topic, but are you the same DOC from WW2Online? If so, stop screwing the axis and historicity of the game by giving them some goddamn equipment at the same time line with Allies. 1942 vs 1944 is a real side biased ahistorical joke.

edit: Giving us 2 defensive heavy tanks 1942 model Pzkmpf VI E (Tiger) that completely suck on offensive in the vietnam jungles of France, when Panthers were produced earlier than Sherman 76/Churchill Mk VII, were cheaper, and came in much greater numbers, and would be the most logical Tank to counter the Allies in Tier 3 instead of relying on some stupid numbers equation as some kind of heuristic to follow? Yeah right what a load of crap and this even when some how you expect the Axis to go on offensive? It only works now because most axis rely on resupply and spawning infantry when TOES come out the fault in this line of thinking is going to be exposed BIG TIME. Jesus Come clean and do the right thing.

 

[Ducky]

Here's and excerpt from what Wiki about Justice Hugo Black:

Black was asked to defend the Reverend Edwin R. Stephenson, a Klansman who had been accused of shooting to death Rev. James Coyle, leader of the large Catholic community at Saint Paul's Parish in Birmingham, in a trial where the presiding judge, as well as several members of the jury, were Klansmen. Black is reported to have approached prosecution witnesses with the question "You're a Catholic, aren't you?" in an attempt to discredit them before the Klan-dominated jury.[citation needed] The jury ultimately acquitted Stephenson. Some scholars, such as Daniel L. Dreisbach of the American University, believe that Hugo Black's later support for a separation of church and state was based on such an anti-Catholic animus. Black became a member of the Robert E. Lee Klan No. 1, a branch of the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham, in 1923.[2] He claimed that he remained in the KKK only until 1925, and that during that time attended no more than four meetings before his resignation. However, in 1926, he not only attended a State Convention of the KKK but addressed the delegates as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Black

So f***ing what?

What has any of this have to do with anything in this thread, DOC?

 

[DOC]

So f***ing what?

What has any of this have to do with anything in this thread, DOC?

It has everything to do with this thread. Former Supreme Court Justice and KKK member Hugo Black cast a pivotal vote in a 5-4 decision and voiced the opinion of the Supreme Court in a landmark case in 1947 that brought the term Separation of Church and State into the legal system. The former KKK member and Supreme Court justice is mentioned in posts 381,389,399.

 

[Cleon]

The former KKK member and Supreme Court justice is mentioned in posts 381,389,399.

Your ego is getting ahead of your brain (again). You just cited your own posts about Hugo Black as a reason for posting about Hugo Black.

 

[DOC]

Your ego is getting ahead of your brain (again). You just cited your own posts about Hugo Black as a reason for posting about Hugo Black.

Why are you so concerned about me talking about former KKK member and Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black. Its also funny how some troll came out of nowhere (post #402) once I started to talk about Justice Black and his KKK affiliations, and the anti-Catholic allegations about him.

 

[Cleon]

Why are you so concerned about me talking about former KKK member and Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black.

Was he a Communist, too?

 

[Hawk one]

Doc, in addition to all your other dishonesty, when will you stop changing subjects as soon it's painfully clear you've been telling falsehoods again?

Remember how we showed you all this evidence that "separation of church and state" is far older than 1947? Of course you do. But instead of admitting that you' at the very least once again been played for a gullible fool, you just jump into something unrelated.

So, when will you stop escaping your lies by jumping to different lies? When will you admit the plain fact that Jefferson was the first one to officially say that it's a good idea with separation between church and state?

And again, why do you lie, when everyone who's capable of doing proper research (which is most people in here) can easily spot your lies? What makes you think an exposed liar will make any converts to his (or rather J. Kennedy's) fundamentalistic agenda?

 

[DOC]

Communist and KKK connection

Was he a Communist, too?

I don't know if the KKK member and former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Communist. But there is a Communist connection. ACLU lawyer, Leo Pfeffler, was also a big player (along with Black) in the 1947 case. And, as was mentioned in post 368, the founder of the ACLU was a card carrying communist. So there is a KKK and Communist connection in the case that has been used to harass people of religion.

If you want to use the language of the 1st amendment to try to harass people of religion, that's fine with me. It's only when you bring in non-constitutional terms like "separation of church and state" to harass people that I have a problem with it. So yes there is both a KKK and Communist connection to the 1947 case.

 

[Cleon]

I don't know if the KKK member and former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Communist. But there is a Communist connection.

Somehow, I just knew you'd find one.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

ACLU lawyer, Leo Pfeffler...

Could you provide evidence he was an ACLU lawyer. The only place I have seen that asserted is on accomodationist webistes, and didn't see any supporting data. Assertions are not facts.

 

[Jekyll]

Aren't the KKK predominately Christian and anti communist?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

...the KKK member and former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black...

I'm considering steppping down into the debate gutter with DOC and only referring to Jefferson as the slave holder and former President. For example: Do you have any evidence the slave holder and former President Thomas Jefferson attended church in the Captial building?

I'm just not sure if DOC would appreciate the satire or not.

 

[lolurigeller]

Would you please demonstrate more respect to honorable DOC. He is a busy person! He will get back to us mortals as soon as "His" time permits.

The reason he has such an ego is because DOC is the producer of this niche MMORPG
http://www.wwiionline.com/scripts/wwiionline/index.jsp

There is also a photo of him on the mainpage, it's the face to the left of the girl.

I don't know if the KKK member and former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Communist. But there is a Communist connection. ACLU lawyer, Leo Pfeffler, was also a big player (along with Black) in the 1947 case. And, as was mentioned in post 368, the founder of the ACLU was a card carrying communist. So there is a KKK and Communist connection in the case that has been used to harass people of religion.

Using ur actual Nick, and then leaving behind posts that are identical to the ones you post on PlaySchool, it's so obvious you ignored my previous post because if people like me can trace you to this forum where you are being torn apart for being a fool, it's not going to be pretty for your career. You might act like a big wig over on playschool but bringing your ego here is a BIG MISTAKE DOC.

LOL, Now I know why WW2Online is so screwed up, when the producer himself claims to be so objective and act's above the playerbase and then honestly believes in this paranoid insane looney garbage? Well I can honestly say you deserve what you get here.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Oh, isn't it cute? DOC's red baiting just the grown-up conservative stooges.

Really, I'm not a fan of Marxism in any way, shape, manner, or form; but wanna-be McCarthyism went out with... well, McCarthy.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

As for DOC's claim that the ACLU was founded by a "communist;" as we might expect he's only telling us half the story:

Roger Nash Baldwin (January 21, 1884 – August 26, 1981) was one of the founders of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). He served as executive director of the ACLU until 1950... Baldwin was a pacifist. Some of his other political affiliations changed markedly during his lifetime: as a young man, he became involved in the anarchist movement; in the 1920's he grew sympathetic to communism and expressed admiration for the Soviet Union. By 1939, however, he was publicly denouncing the Soviets and in the 1940s he attempted to purge Communist Party members from the ACLU. [Emphasis mine]


source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Nash_Baldwin

More on Nash's "communist" ties:

In St. Louis, Baldwin became greatly influenced by the radical social movement of the anarchist Emma Goldman. He joined the Industrial Workers of the World and developed a sympathy for the Soviet Union and for Communism that lasted until 1939 when he was disillusioned by the Nazi-Soviet Pact and broke off all radical ties. In 1927, he had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets, which contained extensive praise for the Soviet Union. However, he later denounced communism in his book, A New Slavery, which condemned "the inhuman communist police state tyranny" [1]. In the 1940s, Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members [2].

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Nash_Baldwin

Decide for yourselves.

 

[DOC]

I'm considering steppping down into the debate gutter with DOC and only referring to Jefferson as the slave holder and former President. For example: Do you have any evidence the slave holder and former President Thomas Jefferson attended church in the Captial building?

I'm just not sure if DOC would appreciate the satire or not.

Well actually there is a big difference in being born in an English colony where slavery is so ingrained in the culture that you inherit dozens of slaves when your father dies (and your only 14 years old); and being born in the United States and joining an organization- that is known to hang blacks from trees and hates Catholics- at the age of 37 (like Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black did) but that's a whole other topic.

In regards to your evidence question on Jefferson here is an excerpt from a site I've already posted.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jefferson attended church at the Capitol while he was Vice President [SIZE=-1]5http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=123#_edn5 and also throughout his presidency. The first Capitol church service that Jefferson attended as President was a service preached by Jefferson’s friend, the Rev. John Leland, on January 3, 1802. [SIZE=-1]6[/SIZE] Significantly, Jefferson attended that Capitol church service just two days after he penned his famous letter containing the “wall of separation between church and state” metaphor. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-4]MANASSEH CUTLER[/SIZE]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] U. S. Rep. Manasseh Cutler, who also attended church at the Capitol, recorded in his own diary that “He [Jefferson] and his family have constantly attended public worship in the Hall.” [SIZE=-1]7http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=123#_edn7 Mary Bayard Smith, another attendee at the Capitol services, confirmed: “Mr. Jefferson, during his whole administration, was a most regular attendant.” [SIZE=-1]8[/SIZE] She noted that Jefferson even had a designated seat at the Capitol church: “The seat he chose the first Sabbath, and the adjoining one (which his private secretary occupied), were ever afterwards by the courtesy of the congregation, left for him and his secretary.” [SIZE=-1]9[/SIZE] Jefferson was so committed to those services that he would not even allow inclement weather to dissuade him; as Rep. Cutler noted: “It was very rainy, but his [Jefferson’s] ardent zeal brought him through the rain and on horseback to the Hall.” [SIZE=-1]10[/SIZE] Other diary entries confirm Jefferson’s attendance in spite of bad weather. [SIZE=-1]11[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]



You can find the sources at:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=123



The article is entitled "Church at the US Capitol" by David Barton.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Well actually there is a big difference in being born in an English colony where slavery is so ingrained in the culture that you inherit dozens of slaves when your father dies (and your only 14 years old); and being born in the United States and joining an organization- that is known to hang blacks from trees and hates Catholics- at the age of 37 (like Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black did) but that's a whole other topic.

The slave holder and former President Thomas Jefferson was 57 years old when he became president of the United states and he kept his slaves until his death in 1826. You do understand there's a yawning chasm between being in a racist (and at the time poltical) organization and owning other human beings don't you?

In regards to your evidence question on Jefferson here is an excerpt from a site I've already posted.

{snip}

Are you really that dense?

I'm considering steppping down into the debate gutter with DOC and only referring to Jefferson as the slave holder and former President. For example: Do you have any evidence the slave holder and former President Thomas Jefferson attended church in the Captial building?

I'm just not sure if DOC would appreciate the satire or not.

We he still around, I'm sure the slaveholder and former President Thomas Jefferson would have gotten it.

 

[DOC]

The reason he has such an ego is because DOC is the producer of this niche MMORPG
http://www.wwiionline.com/scripts/wwiionline/index.jsp

There is also a photo of him on the mainpage, it's the face to the left of the girl.






Using ur actual Nick, and then leaving behind posts that are identical to the ones you post on PlaySchool, it's so obvious you ignored my previous post because if people like me can trace you to this forum where you are being torn apart for being a fool, it's not going to be pretty for your career. You might act like a big wig over on playschool but bringing your ego here is a BIG MISTAKE DOC.

LOL, Now I know why WW2Online is so screwed up, when the producer himself claims to be so objective and act's above the playerbase and then honestly believes in this paranoid insane looney garbage? Well I can honestly say you deserve what you get here.

To the poster, If the forum is getting you this emotional. maybe, for your own health, you should not look at it. I will not look at your website and don't know what your talking about.

I assume trolling behavior is against Randi's rules so I would appreciate if the forum moderator would handle the situation. This person also made a trollish post in post #402.

 

[Darat]

Well actually there is a big difference in being born in an English colony

...snip....

British colony not English colony.