StopSylviaBrowne: AC360 - Browne's Best Evidence?

You should point out, regarding Ted Gunderson, he retired before Browne "discovered" her purported abilities.

Thus, even if one wants to believe Gunderson, Browne and him never worked on a single case FOR the FBI.
According to his web site, Gunderson retired in 1979.

Sylvia and Dal Brown had set up "The Nirvana Foundation" - and were doing "trance readings" and such - in 1974. I have a letter on Nirvana Foundation letterhead dated from 1976.

Contact Linda Rossi and ask her how she can state on national TV something that clearly isn't true.
I'll pencil that in on my calendar, Claus.

Robert, could you perhaps prefix your articles with "SSB:" instead of the full "StopSylviaBrowne"?
I won't change it to SSB, as that is a common abbreviation of another skeptical topic, Satya Sai Baba.

Perhaps I will use "StopSylvia" instead. I'll look into it!
 
I honestly believe you are doing a great service to society by being so unrelenting in exposing every piece of quackery that comes out of that evil woman's mouth -- but I am curious what made you choose this particular charlatan to spend your time on. Don't get me wrong, your website certainly comes up on web searches of Browne that someone who may wish to do quick research of her might find before forking over that $750/hour -- and your site should put them straight to the truth. Becoming the foremost resourse on one topic is better than being a good resourse for many topics. But why Sylvia Browne instead of John Edwards or another quack? I'm just curious.

Keep fighting the Darkside! (hehehe... Sylvia paid me to try to get you to use some of your energy exposing Star Wars mythology.) May the Force be with you!
 
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Another great article! You covered all the questions that ran thru my mind when I saw those segments on AC, especially the one of if that is the cream of the crop of all her best evidence over decades. If Syl is sitting on some great evidence in her favour now would be the time for her to show it. But somehow I doubt it... : )
 
According to his web site, Gunderson retired in 1979.

Sylvia and Dal Brown had set up "The Nirvana Foundation" - and were doing "trance readings" and such - in 1974. I have a letter on Nirvana Foundation letterhead dated from 1976.

My mistake.

Have you emailed Gunderson about what cases he might have worked with Browne on?
 
Well done! Also hooray for the Anderson Cooper 360 show!

I suggest when JREF goes after her, that they take out an ad in a national paper like the New York Times flat out calling her a liar. At the very least, she lies about not charging to help in missing person cases. The Hornbecks also said she offered to help them for a fee (after the Montel show where she famously said that Sean was dead and buried).
 
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Have you emailed Gunderson about what cases he might have worked with Browne on?

I have. He hasn't replied yet.

Sylvia Browne said this (in response to Paul Kurtz's prodding) on her March 6, 2001 appearance on the Larry King show: "What, finding bodies, and World Trade Center with Ted Gunderson and all that?" This is a reference to the 1993 WTC bombing. Now, since Gunderson retired from the FBI in 1979, I consider it highly unlikely that he would have been working on that case! At that point, I believe he was working as a private investigator specializing in cases of alleged Satanic Ritual Abuse (in between appearances on Geraldo).

But, as Mr. Lancaster pointed out, Sylvia was active in the psychic community in the 1970s, and since there's (admittedly unsubstantiated) evidence that Gunderson was forced out of the FBI for using psychics, it's entirely possible that he used Sylvia during his tenure with the Bureau.

I'll be interested to see if I get any response to my e-mail. Gunderson strikes me as quite a paranoid chap, so he might judge any such queries to be part of some sort of Satanic government conspiracy. Getting on his bad side might not be a good idea. The title of one his books (available on Amazon) is "How To Locate Anyone, Anywhere, Without Leaving Your Home!"

Then again, he might respond for lack of anything better to do...
 
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One point on the Sharon James letter. YOu give Sylvia a 50/50 on saying her son would be found alive/return.

However, the information provided indicates that Ms James told Sylvia in her reading that her son had a history of disappearing and returning (on multiple occasions).

This clearly wasn't a 50/50 bet for Sylvia. Faced with the same call, I would tell the subject that her son would return/be found alive (yet again), expecting a better than 50% chance of being correct.
I would like to take this point and expand it with a slightly different flavor.

In so doing, I acknowledge taking an argument from Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion, and adapting it to the circumstances at hand. In The God Delusion, Dawkins cautions against assigning probabilities where evidence is scant either way. The evidence for the existence of a personal deity who interferes in personal affairs may be scant, and the evidence against such a deity may be equally scant. But that does not mean that the odds of such a deity existing are 50/50.

My point is not to argue religion or metaphysics or supernatural intervention. I merely mention Dawkins because his work inspired me to make the point.

Indeed, the point can be made without reference to any supernatural aspect. If we know that two football teams are to be matched against one another and we know that there can only be one of two possible outcomes (either one team will win the game or the other will win), it does not necessarily follow that each or either team has a fifty percent chance of winning. To make an intelligent estimate of probability, we would need to know more than just the fact that there are two possible outcomes.

In this case, as Geckko pointed out, there was evidence to suggest that, based upon past experience, one outcome was more likely than another.

Now, I make this point not so much as a criticism of the StopSylvia site, but as an observation that one must carefully evaluate the legitimacy of percentages assigned to various outcomes. Self-proclaimed psychics do this a lot, puffing up their numbers so as to boast greater success than they actually have. Accordingly, if we as skeptics think charlatans must be more honest when using percentages, then we must be more mindful when using percentages ourselves.
 
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I added one to the Jan 19 show, thanks for the idea, rjh.

I don't understand the value of a link simply to CNN.com, though. What was your thought there?

Just in case someone does not know what CNN means. You give them their website and then they can find out anything from that.

Plus you are giving them a plug for allowing you to use their information. After all if someone uses your information should they link just to that page or to your website as well?

I am no expert on references so I could be wrong.
 
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I honestly believe you are doing a great service to society by being so unrelenting in exposing every piece of quackery that comes out of that evil woman's mouth
Thanks, Senex.

Becoming the foremost resourse on one topic is better than being a good resourse for many topics. But why Sylvia Browne instead of John Edwards or another quack? I'm just curious.
When my previous (and first) skeptical web aite (www.StopKaz.com) was winding down - Kaz was either stopped or has gone into hibernation - people in this forum started asking me: who's next?

I was torn between a one-focus site and a site with various sections devoted to people (Browne, Edward, Benny Hinn, Kevin Trudeau, etc) who I felt needed "stopping." I was leaning toward the multi-focus site, but people in this forum convinced me of the strengths of the single-focus approach, as I had taken with Kaz.

I had narrowed it down to the four people mentioned above, but what pushed Browne to the top of the list was her "readings" for the families of missing people, particularly of missing children. Reading about the Opal Jo Jennings affair clinched it.

Another great article!
Thanks, Minarvia!

If Syl is sitting on some great evidence in her favour now would be the time for her to show it. But somehow I doubt it... : )
Please, no talk of Sylvia showing what she is sitting on. :boggled:

Have you emailed Gunderson about what cases he might have worked with Browne on?
No.

Thanks for considering a change.
Okay!

Well done! Also hooray for the Anderson Cooper 360 show!
Thanks, and indeed yes.[/QUOTE]

I have. He hasn't replied yet.
Please let us know if/when he does.

Sylvia Browne said this (in response to Paul Kurtz's prodding) on her March 6, 2001 appearance on the Larry King show: "What, finding bodies, and World Trade Center with Ted Gunderson and all that?" This is a reference to the 1993 WTC bombing. Now, since Gunderson retired from the FBI in 1979, I consider it highly unlikely that he would have been working on that case!
Interesting...

I would like to take this point and expand it with a slightly different flavor.
Thanks Browne. I will keep your caution in mind.

Just in case someone does not know what CNN means. You give them their website and then they can find out anything from that.
Well, they can easliy get to it from either of the transcript links, if they are curious.[/QUOTE]At least, that's my take on it. But thanks for the suggestion!
 
Thanks Browne. I will keep your caution in mind.
Ack! I've been shamed!! I feel so dirty! Who would have thought that adding a silent "e" to my name could slap my ego so?

(Just kiddin'.)
 
I was torn between a one-focus site and a site with various sections devoted to people (Browne, Edward, Benny Hinn, Kevin Trudeau, etc) who I felt needed "stopping." I was leaning toward the multi-focus site, but people in this forum convinced me of the strengths of the single-focus approach, as I had taken with Kaz.

I'm usually against cloning, but I wish you were also able to run a StopBennyHinn site as well. He aggravates me the most. That SOB wears his whiite suit and pretends to heal people in huge venues and then he goes to Africa as part of his "Crusade." Sylvia takes peoples money $750 at a time, but this guy empties entire inheritances. I helped send someone strapped to a gurney to one of his meetings because his mom insisted and I had no choice but look like an ass if I refused. I knew darn well he wouldn't be healed but I vowed to break Benny's nose someday.

I won't get a chance but I wish someone will.
 
Ack! I've been shamed!! I feel so dirty! Who would have thought that adding a silent "e" to my name could slap my ego so?

(Just kiddin'.)
I swear it was accidental! Or maybe subconscious...

Yeah, I type it with an "e" so many times a day, it's difficult to type it without one... :o

I'm usually against cloning, but I wish you were also able to run a StopBennyHinn site as well.
One at a time!
 
I managed to obtain a copy of Sylvia Browne’s book “Insight: Case Files From The Psychic World” at my local library. There’s an interesting final chapter titled “Crimes and Missing Persons” in which Browne offers up some apparent success stories in missing persons cases (most of which seem to be unverifiable).

Here’s an excerpt relevant to Gunderson and the WTC bombing with my commentary in parentheses:


“On February 26, 1993, a Ryder truck rumbled into the underground parking garage of the North Tower of New York City’s World Trade Center. At 12:17 P.M. the fifteen hundred pounds of explosives hidden inside the truck were detonated, killing six people, injuring more than a thousand and putting a shocking end to the American myth that terrorists only attack on foreign soil.

“My friend Ted Gunderson at the FBI, with whom I’d worked on other cases, called me after three of the bombers, all Islamic terrorists, had been arrested. Ted had learned to trust me and my information over the years, and knew I would never delude myself into believing that I’m smarter than the FBI; I’m just one of many alternative investigative tools at their disposal.”

(Note that she simply identifies him as “Ted Gunderson at the FBI.” There is no indication whatsoever that at that point Gunderson had been retired from the Bureau for 14 years! Also note that she was called in after three suspects (including Mohammed Salameh) were already in custody. Called in by who? Gunderson? The FBI? Or was Gunderson still affiliated with the FBI in some capacity?)

“Ted’s FBI intelligence prevented him from being even slightly surprised when I assured him that there were five, maybe six men involved in the attack, not just the three in custody. I was formally interviewed by the FBI on March 16, 1993.

(Browne doesn’t mention that Salameh was charged on March 4. As The Anderson Cooper Show pointed out, Salameh’s name was all over the news in the days prior to March 16.)

“The FBI ultimately arrested a total of six Islamic terrorists for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. They were convicted in 1997 and 1998 and sentenced to an average of 240 years each for their crimes. Among them was a short, wiry man with black hair and thick black eyebrows named Mohammed A. Salameh. I was off by a few letters here and there, but when Ted called to tell me about Salameh’s arrest, I was so thrilled I may have shattered poor Ted’s eardrum when I involuntarily shouted, ‘You’ve got him!’”

(This makes it seem like Salameh was arrested as a result of Browne’s interview. This is simply not true.)



What I want to know is who was Sylvia interviewed by? Was Gunderson working for the FBI? I consider this highly unlikely. Why? Because according to Gunderson, the FBI was behind the bombing! This quote is from an article on his website, written by the man himself, titled “The Phony War on Terrorism”:

“On February 26, 1993, a car bomb destroyed portions of the World Trade Center in N.Y.C., the F.B.I. not only knew in advance of the bombing, they furnished the ingredients for the bomb.”

Does this sound like a man the FBI would involve in the investigation?
 
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Thanks, Clerihew80. That's quite some info to chew over! Settling the Gunderson questions regarding Syl will perhaps make for another splendid article, methinks.
 
Hmm. I just checked, and my local library has a great deal of Browne. I don't really feel like reading any of it for fun, but if someone is looking for something in a book that they don't have handy, feel free to ask.
 
A google of Sylvia Browne, gets StopSylviaBrowne in the 4 position, just after a very unflattering:
Wikipedia article. Wasn't there going to be a big media push this week to flatten her?
 
Further there are only 3 positive sites on the first page and 7 negative. All 3 positive sites are ones selling her stuff. A little better on the second page. But most of the positive ones are selling her books or shows. Only two of them are not in that category. Three others are negative towards her.

How soon before she is history?
 
Here’s an excerpt relevant to Gunderson and the WTC bombing with my commentary in parentheses:
Good find clerihew, thanks! This will definitely make it into an article at some point.

Hmm. I just checked, and my local library has a great deal of Browne. I don't really feel like reading any of it for fun, but if someone is looking for something in a book that they don't have handy, feel free to ask.
I'll keep that in mind Christine, thanks.

Wasn't there going to be a big media push this week to flatten her?
I don't know what Randi hs up his sleeve, nor when it will be announced.

How soon before she is history?
:)

This is a sad video with Browne:
Very sad. And angering.
 

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