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Skeptic given a negitive review

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
This dude is an idiot but he has a point: I would hate to decide for someone else what's best for them but I believe it would be kinder to let people who already think they've been visited by a dead family member to let them think that.

How do you tell someone who (one example) is convinced the Oklahoma junkyard video ghost is his late wife and who's shown it to their young sons that it's a GI Joe doll?

Yeah, psychics and mediums don't bring "closure" or comfort to friends and family members like they claim to but once someone's latched onto that and taking comfort from that, you can't break their hearts once again by pulling that out from under their feet, too.
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I strongly disagree. It is far more cruel to let them live in a fantasy, provided by phony psychics, than to tell them what is really happening.

Don't forget that psychics don't just cheat the bereaved, they also rape the memories people have of their dearly departed, by giving false "information" from the "spirits".
 
And my point, Eeney, was that you may be trading that person's comfort in their fantasy for the missed opportunity to address critical thinking skills which could actually save another person from dying.
 
athon said:
That's your book?? I have one of your dinosaurs (well, folded from that book) on my shelf. A girl I was dating folded it for my last birthday and stuck it on a card. I picked it from that book!!

Wow. How about that.

Athon
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Ah, it's a small world.
 
Lonewulf said:
An entire continent populated by criminals that were so undesirable, they couldn't even be subjected into the British navy actually has morons?

Wow.
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Hhhmmm....usually I'd take issue with this, but with John Horward as Prime Minister, I'd have to agree :(
 
Just want to add my latest comment on the matter:

"Big Ab of Jonestown", the one who thinks Skeptics are to be feared, should Google "Jonestown" and see what happened in the 1970s when people believed the hoaxes and tricks they were seeing were miracles.
Posted by: Richard Saunders of 9:47pm April 01, 2007
 
That's it, we're selling you lot off - I'm sure USA will buy you.

Where on earth do you find newspapers like that crud? Over here, an article like that could only appear in one of the born-again-####wit publications.

Thank god for good, Kiwi heathens.
 
Yeah, their memories are raped once they find out it was false.

Do you really and honestly think it necessary to go to the junkyard ghost hoax victims and prove to them that the ghost of their daughter, wife and mother is a plastic doll? The public should know, yes, but if it's not a life or death situation, the family should be spared.

That's why we believe in this stuff in the first place- human are built to seek comfort in the supernatural.
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Yeah, their memories are raped once they find out it was false.

Do you really and honestly think it necessary to go to the junkyard ghost hoax victims and prove to them that the ghost of their daughter, wife and mother is a plastic doll? The public should know, yes, but if it's not a life or death situation, the family should be spared.
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The family is also part of the public. Since they are the party involved, they should be the first to know.

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
That's why we believe in this stuff in the first place- human are built to seek comfort in the supernatural.
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No.

We are built to interpret the world around us. Sometimes, we draw the wrong conclusions and attach supernatural meaning to phenomena we don't know enough about to explain.

If anything, you can say that humans are built to observe the world, but aren't built to understand it.
 
OK.. there are now desperate people, some in wheelchairs, turning up to the house... more soon.
 
The few times I have been involved with the media I have been shocked at how oversimplified or flat out wrong they got the issue. These people have deadlines and space or time limitations so they must churn out a story. They always have to make it a story their audience will be interested in. So, sometimes it is just wrong. When you see them do it to something you actually know about, it makes you wonder how oversimplified or incorrect the other stories are.
 
RenaissanceBiker said:
The few times I have been involved with the media I have been shocked at how oversimplified or flat out wrong they got the issue. These people have deadlines and space or time limitations so they must churn out a story. They always have to make it a story their audience will be interested in. So, sometimes it is just wrong. When you see them do it to something you actually know about, it makes you wonder how oversimplified or incorrect the other stories are.
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Then you are going to love this outstanding example of media investigation.

 
Richard said:
Then you are going to love this outstanding example of media investigation.

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It was fantastic. Where can I get more clips like this? (I'm a teacher).
(By the way...I'm sensing that you are staring at me in your mind's eye at this very moment; am I right?) :)
 
Richard said:
Then you are going to love this outstanding example of media investigation.
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"We believe it's unnatural intervention"... or did he say natural? I was like, "Wowzors!"

So much for Occam's Razor...
 
Don't you think though that it would be extremely cruel to a family who wants to believe in it, who's chosen to believe it, who's believed in it for a long time and who isn't following up on it in other ways to take it away from them?

Usually, I'd say I'd want to know the truth because it's a cold comfort but there's a difference between telling them the hard truth and pulling the rug out from under someone.

My grandmother is a life-long Christian and it's gotten her through some tough times in her life, such as the death of her father and sister when she was very young, the death of her mother as a teenager, poverty, joblessness, the death of her husband and various health problems.

I'm not gonna try to tell her she's never gonna see my grandfather and great-grandparents again and God never did nothing for her and she's been going to church every week of her life for absolutely nothing.

There'd be no point in it and that person is much, much too invested in it to have it do any good.
 
TodayTonight bumped out ACA as ACA would not pay for the story and
TodayTonight would (as far as my info goes). TodayTonight do not want
this to be a clear hoax, not yet any way.

For some reason the scientific investigator said, "We believe it's the
result of some type of unnatural intervention." What does that mean??
I am thinking what he meant was "Someone put it there." but the words
could be interpreted as "Paranormal intervention." TodayTonight may
well have got him to say it or he said it and they thought, "Yes!
that's the answer we can use to string this along."

sigh....
 
What do you want to bet there is a collection plate in this story. The family denies it so there could be some other secondary gain. The dad in the interview had that little smirk which gives away a lie in the end when asked about the reason for letting people come to see the miracle.

These scams have been perpetrated over and over. You think the news media would have said something about that. What a fraud.
 
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