The VonKleist video reexamined

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In this video Dave VonKleist attempts to resolve the question concerning the white cloud of smoke that appears behind WTC 7. He obtained the CNN video and concludes the white cloud of smoke was the result of WTC 2 falling. I think VonKleist is wrong. The white cloud is the result of an explosion which occurred moments after the crash of flight 175 into WTC 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4p8Pxc3604
 
vonKleist is a certified moron. He has zero qualifications for the 'analysis' in his video. He continually raises questions that exist only in his fevered imagination. A well-written debunking of his video, In Plane Site, was featured in The New American. TNA is a publication of the John Birch Society. vonKleist hallucinated the exposure of his garbage theories into a personal attack by the magazine.

Anyone that blindly accepted Thierry Meyssann's Pentagon website has no business offering analysis.
 
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MaGz, bubbie... the important thing about following whack-ass CTers is that sometimes they get things right and sometimes the video gets it right for them.

If there was ever evidence of your selective researching, this is it! Did you actually look at the whole thing? The camera zooms out and in and anyone with marginally correct vision can see that WTC 2 is going down in the background. How can you possibly think that's one of your missile hits from "moments after" 175 hit the south tower?
 
Yes I pointed that out to you in the "dont eat me" thread.
Vonkleist states in his narration 3:20 into the video
Until more evidence is discovered to support the contention of a separate explosion at the world trade center.I think its safe to assume that this rising plume was the first of many, which were the result of the collapsing south tower. which was hidden from view in this camera angle
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At least VonKleist corrected this garbage. Hard to believe he and the other 'researchers' who promoted it couldn't have found a few other videos or photographs taken from different angles before they published it.
VERY hard to believe.

As it is their stuff is out there still ready to snare the occasional idiot who stumbles over it, the kind of idiot who, once these images are carved into their pathetic excuse for a brain, will go on believeing it for ever, simply because it got there first.

Why is VonKleist retracting it now MagZ? Did they get to him? Is the video he showed fake, which clearly shows the tower collapsing at the same time this plume rises?
 
Oh that is hillarious. How can you even show your face here now MagZ. If you watch the full clip, as others have pointed out, they show the tower collapsing EARLIER, then go to the live picture of the plume...

IT WAS FROM THE COLLAPSE OF WTC...End of Story.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Oh that is hillarious. How can you even show your face here now MagZ. If you watch the full clip, as others have pointed out, they show the tower collapsing EARLIER, then go to the live picture of the plume...

IT WAS FROM THE COLLAPSE OF WTC...End of Story.

TAM:)
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Actually, this has been sort of bugging me...... Is MaGZ getting so desperate for material that he couldn't even bother watching or listening to the whole thing? (Maybe couldn't turn the sound up because mommy was sleeping upstairs?)

MaGZ... Really, I'm seriously curious. Are you really this clueless to post a video and commentary that clearly makes you out to have zero comprehension? Were you just testing to see if we were paying attention? Surely you know by now that we can read, write, add, subtract, etc.....?:spjimlad: :spjimlad:
 
MaGZ said:
In this video Dave VonKleist attempts to resolve the question concerning the white cloud of smoke that appears behind WTC 7. He obtained the CNN video and concludes the white cloud of smoke was the result of WTC 2 falling. I think VonKleist is wrong. The white cloud is the result of an explosion which occurred moments after the crash of flight 175 into WTC 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4p8Pxc3604
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I'm with Foolmewunz on this one. That post was just a joke. It had to be. No one's that dumb.
 
An explosion while the Twin Towers are standing

At 1:11 into the video you see the CNN footage of the white cloud (explosion from the missile that hit on the 14th floor of WTC 7) while the Twin Towers are still standing. You can clearly see the tops of the two buildings.
 


This is a 1:1 jpg version of the time period you are mentioning.

There is no "two towers" standing. The line in the middle is the corner, and the two rectangular panels are different sides of the one tower. There is no other tower behind the dust. You are insane.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Oh that is hillarious. How can you even show your face here now MagZ. If you watch the full clip, as others have pointed out, they show the tower collapsing EARLIER, then go to the live picture of the plume...

IT WAS FROM THE COLLAPSE OF WTC...End of Story.

TAM:)
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In the Tom Clancy interview on CNN all the footage being shown was listed as being shown "EARLIER". The mistake you are making is assuming all the "EARLIER" footage is being replayed in the ordered that it occurred. In the Clancy interview it does start off with the collapse of WTC 2, however later they play the white cloud explosion which occurred on CNN at 9:04. Both the white cloud and the resulting dust cloud from the collapse of WTC 2 are different in shape. Understand?
 
MaGZ said:
In the Tom Clancy interview on CNN all the footage being shown was listed as being shown "EARLIER". The mistake you are making is assuming all the "EARLIER" footage is being replayed in the ordered that it occurred. In the Clancy interview it does start off with the collapse of WTC 2, however later they play the white cloud explosion which occurred on CNN at 9:04. Both the white cloud and the resulting dust cloud from the collapse of WTC 2 are different in shape. Understand?
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MagZ:

The picture I have posted is from the EXACT time period (1:11....read it on the image) you just stated shows us "two towers". It clearly, does not. Are you on drugs?

TAM:)
 
you know what. I know I cant convince you. Thank god I do not care to. Lets just allow the fence sitters to decide for themselve...lol

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
[URL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_10761460eeedb4e13a.jpg[/URL]

This is a 1:1 jpg version of the time period you are mentioning.

There is no "two towers" standing. The line in the middle is the corner, and the two rectangular panels are different sides of the one tower. There is no other tower behind the dust. You are insane.

TAM:)
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The roof lines are uneven: there are two towers standing. The WTC 2 roof line is lower that WTC 1 because it is father away.
 
I know exactly what you are talking about and it is merely a result of the shaity resolution of the clip. Find me the original, high resolution clip and then lets look at it together...

As I watch the entire clip, including the one after the 1:11 version, the one that Vonkelist asks us to watch after, which is more clearer, but obviously the same clip from the same channel...your "uneven rooflines" appear even, and you can see the tower radio tower standing as it should be...

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
you know what. I know I cant convince you. Thank god I do not care to. Lets just allow the fence sitters to decide for themselve...lol

TAM:)
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I think you realize you are wrong, but are too embarrassed to admit it.
 
MaGZ said:
I think you realize you are wrong, but are too embarrassed to admit it.
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Even if I was wrong, which I am not, I would not be embarrassed by it child. I say child, because only a child would assume a grown up would be too embarrassed to admit they are wrong about something like this. I am trying to clarify it for you.

As I said, I will leave it for the sane to decide.

TAM:)
 
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