Should prostitution be legal?

[Kerberos]

To paraphrase George Carlin, Why should something you can give away for free be illegal if you sell it?

So you feel that corruption should be decriminalised then?



















No I don't actually think prostitution should be illegal, but the argument is not valid.

 

[SamanthaMc]

http://www.dailyplanet.com.au/content2/index.html

That's the price page for a larger brothel in Melbourne (it's SFW). If you do a google search, you'll come up with dozens of websites all over. Try "Kings Court" in Sydney for one.

Cheers,
TGHO

Whoa, that is so cool. So do Australians view people who frequent brothels as evil freaks? If a single guy went to work and mentioned that he spent an hour at the Daily Planet, what would a typical reaction be?

At least they'd be more honest than what passes for most "relationships."

Indeed.

This is how marriage works: In exchange for intercourse once (maybe twice) a week, a guy has to buy a woman a ring, a house, a car, and pay her bills, When she get's tired of him she, the courts will award her half of what the poor sap owns, then he'll have to pay her monthly to support her and then some if she popped out kids.

Pretty bitter stuff, there, Mark. That wasn't how my marriage worked:

In exchange for my self-respect, I got a ring that he took back, a room at my in-laws' house, a car (because he traded in my car), and a bunch of bruises. When I got tired of him I didn't take anything that belonged to him (other than the car) except two of his credit card bills that I paid off. But don't feel too badly for him, Mark, he's happily remarried now. And I bought my own damn house, thank you very much.

It's interesting that in, say, California, it's illegal for one consenting adult to pay another for sex, but it's perfectly legal to pay 12 people to have all kinds of raunchy freaky sex, as long as it's on camera and you're producing a video that will be sold.


The U.S. loves it some hypocrisy.

Oh yes it do!

*Packing bags, moving to Australia*

 

[The Atheist]

So to anyone who lives where prostitution is legal, how much does a visit cost? I wonder if it is more or less than a place where it is still illegal.

Prices have gone up here to compensate - by about 25%, which is pretty much the tax differential.

Standard rates are:

High-class brothel = $200/hour

Average brothel = $100/30 minutes, $150/hour

Asian hooker at private house = $50/30 minutes, $80/hour

(Prices to hire men for either gay or female sex are about the same)

... because of the insane lifestyle that goes with prostitution these days.

What's so "insane" about the lifestyle "these days"?

 

[The Great Hairy One]

So you feel that corruption should be decriminalised then?

Corruption, by definition, is not free.

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[The Great Hairy One]

Whoa, that is so cool. So do Australians view people who frequent brothels as evil freaks? If a single guy went to work and mentioned that he spent an hour at the Daily Planet, what would a typical reaction be?

I think it depends on the person, mate. I'm sure some people would react with "you sick freak!" and some would react with "way to go, man!". I, personally, would say "hope you showered after, now where is my report?".

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[Kerberos]

Corruption, by definition, is not free.

Cheers,
TGHO

Exactly, and neither is prostitution. Mark complained that sex becomes illegal when it's payed for, I pointed out that legal political discisions also becomes illegal when payed for.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Pretty bitter stuff, there, Mark.

What can I say, my life has, and most likely will continue to, suck royally.

I think I've earned the right to be a little bitter.

 

[The Atheist]

Whoa, that is so cool. So do Australians view people who frequent brothels as evil freaks? If a single guy went to work and mentioned that he spent an hour at the Daily Planet, what would a typical reaction be?

Can't tell you about Aussies - all I know about their sex habits is a malicious rumour to the effect that in some things, Aussie isn't "the lucky country" at all. I think, in terms of sex, that comment may be a little, um, premature?

You tend to find blokes who frequent brothels only tell their close friends. Despite the legality, there are still plenty of prudes in society. Plus, the enormous majority of punters are married, so bragging rights are usually well-guarded.

I'm utterly impressed with the discretion of the girls, however. Despite me having known the madam for over thirty years - we rented a house together, we've had fishing trips without number and we'd kill for each other, yet she won't give me any names, despite teasing me with the fact that I'd know some of them and the list includes some very high profile types.

BITCH!

 

[clarsct]

Good work, Mark!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But I thought that SCOTUS cited INTERSTATE commerce as the reason against Medical Marijuana. I'm not sure this could hold up for a service industry. (IE, there's no GOODS to transport, unless you count a woman as just another bale of hay. If you do, you're a braver(dumber?) man than I.)

 

[Kerberos]

Good work, Mark!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But I thought that SCOTUS cited INTERSTATE commerce as the reason against Medical Marijuana. I'm not sure this could hold up for a service industry. (IE, there's no GOODS to transport, unless you count a woman as just another bale of hay. If you do, you're a braver(dumber?) man than I.)

Yes, clearly the appropriate analogy would be meat, preferably smoking hot.



*runs*

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

So you feel that corruption should be decriminalised then?

Don't ask me, talk to Carlin. I just used the quote because I thought it sufficiently snarky and anti-establishment.

 

[The Atheist]

This is how marriage works: In exchange for intercourse once (maybe twice) a week, a guy has to buy a woman a ring, a house, a car, and pay her bills, When she get's tired of him she, the courts will award her half of what the poor sap owns, then he'll have to pay her monthly to support her and then some if she popped out kids.

If that is the state of affairs, then I'd rather rent sex than buy "love."

If that was the state of affairs, I'd agree with you.

There is another alternative though: Couple meet and form deep respect for each other and relish each other's company. Couple have children and work hard together to raise them as a family. Couple find no need for divorce, separation or outside affairs, being completely self-contained.

It does happen.

("Love", which I'm personally not even sure exists, doesn't even need to play a part in it.)

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

(IE, there's no GOODS to transport, unless you count a woman as just another bale of hay. If you do, you're a braver(dumber?) man than I.)

I don't, but I'm sure that it will be the "service" that will be deemed the GOODS in this case.

In all of this I must confess I have a very strong bias: I'm 32-years-old, I'm still a virgin (my Catholic upbringing and frigid ex-girlfriend saw to that), and I want to have sexual intercourse at least once before I die (hopefully soon). Since no woman I find attractive will have sex with me WITHOUT compensation because I'm so butt ugly, I'm going to have pay for it.

I'd rather not end up having to spend jail time and paying fines just because I wanted some basic sexual gratification. Even fat, ugly, geeks need sex with something other than their right (or left) hands. The trouble is, I have to pay for it.

 

[The Great Hairy One]

There is no shame in paying for it, mate. If you have not met the right girl, etc., and are still very nervous or self conscious because of your age and virginity, then go to a nice, clean brothel and have a nice time. You'll find that your self confidence goes waaaay up, and you'll feel a lot better, too.

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[SamanthaMc]

Can't tell you about Aussies - all I know about their sex habits is a malicious rumour to the effect that in some things, Aussie isn't "the lucky country" at all. I think, in terms of sex, that comment may be a little, um, premature?

You tend to find blokes who frequent brothels only tell their close friends. Despite the legality, there are still plenty of prudes in society. Plus, the enormous majority of punters are married, so bragging rights are usually well-guarded.

Well, that doesn't sound like near as much fun as I'd imagined! But the wives could go with!

I'm utterly impressed with the discretion of the girls, however. Despite me having known the madam for over thirty years - we rented a house together, we've had fishing trips without number and we'd kill for each other, yet she won't give me any names, despite teasing me with the fact that I'd know some of them and the list includes some very high profile types.

BITCH!

Ooh, that would just drive me crazy! I'd have to slip her some thiopental while we were fishing so I could find out the scoop!

If that was the state of affairs, I'd agree with you.

There is another alternative though: Couple meet and form deep respect for each other and relish each other's company. Couple have children and work hard together to raise them as a family. Couple find no need for divorce, separation or outside affairs, being completely self-contained.

It does happen.

("Love", which I'm personally not even sure exists, doesn't even need to play a part in it.)

Perhaps it's the absence of love itself that would allow such a union.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

There is no shame in paying for it, mate. If you have not met the right girl, etc., and are still very nervous or self conscious because of your age and virginity, then go to a nice, clean brothel and have a nice time. You'll find that your self confidence goes waaaay up, and you'll feel a lot better, too.

Cheers,
TGHO

Ahhh... but that's the problem. We don't have access to nice, clean brothels here in the States (and probably never will). Except in Nevada; however, I can't afford to drive across my own state, much less travel to Nevada for the sole purpose of hiring a prostitute at $3000 to $5000 per "party."

 

[The Great Hairy One]

$3k?? Wow, that's expensive!!

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

$3k?? Wow, that's expensive!!

Cheers,
TGHO

It was range of prices I heard quoted during an HBO documentary one of the more well-known Nevada brothels. Of course it makes sense. Since they're one of the few areas in the U.S. where prostitution is kosher, there is little competition and they can therefore charge whatever they want.

Since it's Nevada, home to Reno and Las Vegas, it's not too hard to find high rollers for customers.

 

[The Great Hairy One]

Maybe across the border in Canada? I don't know the legalities there, but you might have better luck!

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[billydkid]

Prices have gone up here to compensate - by about 25%, which is pretty much the tax differential.

Standard rates are:

High-class brothel = $200/hour

Average brothel = $100/30 minutes, $150/hour

Asian hooker at private house = $50/30 minutes, $80/hour

(Prices to hire men for either gay or female sex are about the same)



What's so "insane" about the lifestyle "these days"?

Wow, you show what the prices are in Nevada - absolute price gouging. Life would have been sooo much better for my friends and myself growing up if we had what you describe above. It is sickening to me that people feel competent to make the choice for other people whether or not they may enjoy sex and under what circumstances. And, of course, there are those people who are hindered by conditions much more serious than mere youth, inexperience and social retardation - people without any real options should they desire intimate human contact except through the services offered by sex workers. Some self righteous smug bastards have decided they should be in a position to deny these people that option. Remember the movie The Elephant Man? That is an extreme example of the sort of thing I am talking about and humane service that sex worker can provide.