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Vista

One thing I'd like from Vista is to not hang at all. The one thing I still hate in XP (but which I must admit has been improved a lot from earlier versions) is when CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't work, or when the Task Manager fails to terminate the process you have explicitly told it to.
 
ChristineR said:
I'd still be running Windows 95 if it were an option. It was the first Windows not to wrap DOS, and in my opinion the later systems have added nothing, except for the ability to read files off a network without some absurd maneuvering...which I guess is actually worth something. :p
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Added nothing? The change from FAT to NTFS alone was worth the change to 2000. The list of benefits of XP over 2000 over 9x is long and certainly not equal to nothing.

I know people dislike Microsoft for many reasons, but lets try to keep our critical and logical wits dialed in at least a tad when discussing them.

Same thing with Vista. Try it, use it for a period of time, then comment. Or look into it in depth for yourself. The list of new security features is not insignificant. One can argue how well they might work in practice, but there are certainly reasons to consider Vista, once drivers catch up and it stablilizes a little more with vendor support.

If people are serious about finding out what Vista can do, then they will do the research and make an informed decision. If you're simply looking for some lack of information, or annoying features to feed a preconceived dislike of Microsoft, then you'll find plenty of that too.
 
Try it, use it for a period of time, then comment.
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By that point you've already parted with a load of cash, so you're pretty screwed if you don't like it.
 
voidx said:
The list of benefits of XP over 2000 over 9x is long and certainly not equal to nothing.
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OK I'll bite: what in a nutshell did XP buy me over 2000, and what does Vista buy me over XP, ie from a home PC perspective? I've used all of them except Vista and read up some on that.

I guess I'm just tired of MS/MS sheeples (not saying you) saying "this new version is so much better than the last one because (for ex) it is SOOO secure!!" .....then it's various security flaws are exposed, umpteen patches/"upgrades"/service packs are dished out to address them....

...and after awhile a new version comes out which is SO much more secure.

:rolleyes:

The only reason I even have XP is because it came w/my PC, not that I have anything against it....oh and because it sure as hell beats ME, although so does a sharp stick in the eye.


EDIT: here's a link to a summary of (I believe) the 12 most significant features of Vista:
http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_new_features.htm#AERO_-_Replaces_XPs_Luna_Desktop._


After reading thru it, I remain unimpressed, perhaps even more than I was before. Oh well, to each their own.
 
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VISTA has a lot of quirks, the inability to completely disable ClearType Font Anti-Aliasing (it doesn't look good on CRT monitors).
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For some reason the ClearType AA looks a lot fuzzier than it did under XP on my laptop. I screencapped some text and blew it up, and it is antialiasing for the correct pixel order and orientation, but apparently it is a more "aggressive" algorithm than was used under XP.

Also, my DVD drive no longer works, at all. So far there are no driver upgrades to fix the problem. Fortunately it is only my backup/travel machine.
 
95 used a DOS type file system with 8.3 names, but it did not wrap DOS. Before 95 when you ran Windows it was secretly executing dir and del commands when it actually displayed those files.

As I said above, I have been using Vista. It locks up a lot and is slow. The new security features seem to mainly consist of asking me to click a little confirmation box whenever I do anything. It's quite annoying, but then you are talking to someone who has never gotten viruses or spyware on her own computer, and whose motto about cleaning other people's computers is "Never edit the registry before breakfast."

The other improvements seem to be mainly cosmetic. It also exhibits the standard Microsoft mistakes, narrowing down the functionality in an attempt to make things easier, while actually consuming resources and forcing the user to take extra steps in the event that she might not want to organize things the way MS does.

It is quite pretty.
 
XP is faster then 2000...case closed. ;)

In my limited experience, I have found no problems with using Vista when you buy a new computer, except the whole process of figuring the damn network out. :(

But, I never buy brand name computers, so I'll be using XP until I HAVE to switch to Vista.

Driver support still sucks.
 
Don't worry; in time, regardless of justification, logical reasons, or anything else, you will be assimilated.....

:shiver:
 
Blight said:
As a software developer, I had to upgrade to vista to make sure my software is vista compatible.

VISTA has a lot of quirks, the inability to completely disable ClearType Font Anti-Aliasing (it doesn't look good on CRT monitors).
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What?! You don't have a LCD monitor...:eek:
I'll pray for you buddy. :p
 
I'm getting the feeling that Microsoft didn't really need to launch a new OS. Whatever shortcomings XP has, they could have fixed them. It's not like Vista has a revolutionary new architecture or any great new features. They just have to release a new OS every few years.
 
ChristineR said:
I'd still be running Windows 95 if it were an option. It was the first Windows not to wrap DOS, and in my opinion the later systems have added nothing, except for the ability to read files off a network without some absurd maneuvering...which I guess is actually worth something. :p
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I feel the same way except for three things:

* I like the Win XP system restore feature -- its a much safer way for most people (esp. non techy types) to restore the Windows registry to an earlier, working point.

* It seems to me that XP is more stable than Win 95 for most people -- less occurences of blue screens of death, etc.

* Haven't used this feature much -- but its nice to have the option to remotely work with someone elses PC and help them fix a problem right away instead of waiting until you have time to go to their house. I think this feature was introduced with XP also.

XP was worth the upgrade. I haven't tried Vista yet and probably won't until I have to replace my PC as I don't want to have to deal with replacing the drivers, nor do I want to be an unpaid beta tester for MS.
 
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Vista = Windows Me

Not a necessary upgrade from Win XP, unless you are looking to use DirectX 10.
Since this is my first post, my apologies for my inability to post a link to a great blog with screenshots that detail the difference between the versions.
 
I just helped my dad set up his brand new Dell sporting Vista last night.

My first impressions are as follows -

It's still slow and annoying and assumes I'm a moron
Web browser looks like a futuristic billboard
The whole OS gives me the feeling that MS examined Apple's OS X and said "how can we make this cumbersome?"
 
And now I find that much of the ham radio software that I'm interested in won't work with Vista.

Or at least they indicate that it might not.
 
seraosha said:
Vista = Windows Me

Not a necessary upgrade from Win XP, unless you are looking to use DirectX 10.
Since this is my first post, my apologies for my inability to post a link to a great blog with screenshots that detail the difference between the versions.
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I have nothing related to Vista here, just wanted to welcome you to the forum.

And to suggest you post on the "Welcome New Posters" thread in community.
 
Unless you need to use Direct X 10, you do not need Vista.

Interestingly, it is outselling XP at the same time after release, but then there are a lot more PCs around now.
 
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