Debate! What debate?

[PhantomWolf]

My position is not important and entirely irrelevant.

What is YOUR POSITION?

Actually it is important, depending on how you want it treated. If you say..

Hey guys they added rocket fuel to the fire retardant to melt through the steel, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, see I can do it too.

you'll get a totally different reaction to...

Hey guys they added rocket fuel to the fire retardant to melt through the steel and I'm totally serious about this being the truth.

In the first case you'll get laughter as people laugh with you at your joke, in the second you'll get laughter as people laugh at you for being a joke. You'll then get a heat lamp dropped on you as you have to back up your case.

So as you can see, stating where your are willing to stand behind what you say because you believe it, or stating that you're doing a comedy routine is very important.

Currently it seems that you're doing a comdey routine, though starting out, it was impossible to tell. Remember we have Truthseaker here and he keeps trying to tell us, with a completely straight face, that there weren't any planes and massive satelites fired building vapourising beams that made all the steel vanish. If your comedy is more real than that (and frankly declaring that it was all done by the Queen of Hearts and her guardsmen led by Tweedledum and Tweedledee, supervised by the White Rabbit and the Jabawoky, would make more sense) then you need to label it as such or we'll take you as being serious.

 

[A W Smith]

if the spray on fire protection had an explosive component in it. Two things.

1) would a medium office fire pre 9/11 set it off? and explode an entire floor?

2) If it went off during the plane impact wouldn't it cover the entire underside of the impacted floors and blow out all windows at the same time around the perimeter?

 

[WildCat]

What is YOUR POSITION?

I'm in a comfy office chair in the spare bedroom I use as an office, but what does this have to do with what we're talking about?

 

[Apollo20]

How it reacted would depend on two things:

1. The precise formulation used (Only the evil doers would know that)
2. Where it was sprayed

Oh, and one more thing:

To establish supporting evidence for an ammonium perchlorate theory it is helpful to look for “chemical signatures” of the presence of ammonium perchlorate in the rubble pile. This requires careful scrutiny of the available data on gaseous emissions at Ground Zero. For example, consider the Report on Air Sampling Near the World Trade Center Site: New York State Department of Health, October 30 & 31, 2001.” In this document we find that air sampling of the smoke plume on the rubble pile over one month after 9/11 measured 33.9 mg/m3 of HCl as well as 2.24 mg/m3 of HNO2 and 12.28 mg/m3 of HNO3. The presence of these acid gases in the air above the WTC rubble pile at this time is consistent with the emission of Cl2, HCl, N2O, NO, and H2O from the slow decomposition of RESIDUAL ammonium perchlorate.

 

[A W Smith]

My position is not important and entirely irrelevant.

What is YOUR POSITION?

I'm in a comfy office chair in the spare bedroom I use as an office, but what does this have to do with what we're talking about?

you know wildcat I was going to type the same thing. I'm leaning back in my recliner in my living room while my wife watches Miami CSI

 

[Apollo20]

Phantom Wolfe:

If I told you that I really do, or really don't believe in this theory, I fail to see what difference that makes to anything... Please explain.

 

[A W Smith]

How it reacted would depend on two things:

1. The precise formulation used (Only the evil doers would know that)
2. Where it was sprayed

Oh, and one more thing:

To establish supporting evidence for an ammonium perchlorate theory it is helpful to look for “chemical signatures” of the presence of ammonium perchlorate in the rubble pile. This requires careful scrutiny of the available data on gaseous emissions at Ground Zero. For example, consider the Report on Air Sampling Near the World Trade Center Site: New York State Department of Health, October 30 & 31, 2001.” In this document we find that air sampling of the smoke plume on the rubble pile over one month after 9/11 measured 33.9 mg/m3 of HCl as well as 2.24 mg/m3 of HNO2 and 12.28 mg/m3 of HNO3. The presence of these acid gases in the air above the WTC rubble pile at this time is consistent with the emission of Cl2, HCl, N2O, NO, and H2O from the slow decomposition of RESIDUAL ammonium perchlorate.

Well if it was me I would just lay acres of red office carpet woven with nothing but det cord! hey it could happen! I think burlington makes it.

 

[Apollo20]

As I said before:

Some people study 9/11 out of conviction, some out of curiosity

 

[ConspiRaider]

How it reacted would depend on two things:

1. The precise formulation used (Only the evil doers would know that)
2. Where it was sprayed

Oh, and one more thing:

To establish supporting evidence for an ammonium perchlorate theory it is helpful to look for “chemical signatures” of the presence of ammonium perchlorate in the rubble pile. This requires careful scrutiny of the available data on gaseous emissions at Ground Zero. For example, consider the Report on Air Sampling Near the World Trade Center Site: New York State Department of Health, October 30 & 31, 2001.” In this document we find that air sampling of the smoke plume on the rubble pile over one month after 9/11 measured 33.9 mg/m3 of HCl as well as 2.24 mg/m3 of HNO2 and 12.28 mg/m3 of HNO3. The presence of these acid gases in the air above the WTC rubble pile at this time is consistent with the emission of Cl2, HCl, N2O, NO, and H2O from the slow decomposition of RESIDUAL ammonium perchlorate.

This entire thread was completely unnecessary, a total waste of time.

If you want to know how to be funny, audition for The Groundlings out here in Hollywood. Watch Dr. Strangelove. Or Blazing Saddles. You need a lot of work. Your posts weren't funny, nor was the theme. Funny is hard. You have to be subtle, but also very clear that humor is your intent. Not easy. Do some more studying. Being funny and not being taken seriously are two completely different things.

 

[Apollo20]

AP requires no det cord, no wiring, no timers, just a bit of HEAT.

Who cares where the planes hit.

AP explains the collapse delay... it had to be heated to its ignition temperature first.

And it leaves no evidence, no trace, except some acid gases....

And a smoking rubble pile full of residual rocket fuel.

But, hey, its just a movie script!

 

[A W Smith]

has anyone done an analysis of all materials that were known to have been in the world trade center? Their percent by volume or weight? This would include computer monitors. cathode ray tubes, TFT screens, cable insulation, Plenum cable, paints and other coatings. Plastics, Office furniture veneers, office chair fabrics and paddings, carpets, carpet paddings, carpet adhesives, fluorescent light tubes, vinyl composition tile and its adhesives, vinyl base adhesives, FRT clean room and lavatory wall panels, other wall coverings, vinyl stationary supplies, copier and printing inks and other office chemicals, urea formaldehydes in office furniture. cleaning supplies and floor waxes. pest control chemicals, powder coatings on office equipment and furniture.

If you took everything from the above list. and not knowing how much of each by volume or weight was in a fire. how would you conclude what chemicals in dust and air samples came from where?

 

[Apollo20]

A. W. Smith:

"If you took everything from the above list. and not knowing how much of each by volume or weight was in a fire. how would you conclude what chemicals in dust and air samples came from where?"

Well, exactly!

That's why AP in the thermal insulation is the perfect crime....

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

AP requires no det cord, no wiring, no timers, just a bit of HEAT.

Who cares where the planes hit.

AP explains the collapse delay... it had to be heated to its ignition temperature first.

And it leaves no evidence, no trace, except some acid gases....

And a smoking rubble pile full of residual rocket fuel.

But, hey, its just a movie script!

Can AP explain what happened in the lower parts of the towers, where there were no fires?

Can AP explain the strangely toasted cars?

Can AP explain the precise timing of the disintegration? Seems like it would be very hard to control. Whatever happened, it happened in a very systematic fashion, from the "impact" area downwards.

 

[T.A.M.]

lol...i get it now....

So were there chemical signatures for Thermite?

TAM

 

[Apollo20]

So, I did make a few extra comments!

But now, as promised, I retire for good.

 

[A W Smith]

The only problem is. If a detonation went off on the fire floors pre collapse you would have most likely seen its signature as smoke blasting out the windows just before initiation of collapse. Not immediately after the start of the collapse from air displacement.

 

[T.A.M.]

Can AP explain what happened in the lower parts of the towers, where there were no fires?

Can AP explain the strangely toasted cars?

Can AP explain the precise timing of the disintegration? Seems like it would be very hard to control. Whatever happened, it happened in a very systematic fashion, from the "impact" area downwards.

No, but Leprachauns can...dey is majik.

TAM

 

[Gravy]

AP explains the collapse delay... it had to be heated to its ignition temperature first.

And it leaves no evidence, no trace, except some acid gases....

And it leaves no visual evidence when it ignites. Invisidestroyabuilding^tm. Those fiends!

 

[cloudshipsrule]

It's a nice theory, err, movie script.

There will be people who will take this and run with it. This conspiracy theory may well outlast all other ct's put forth up to this point.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Phantom Wolfe:

If I told you that I really do, or really don't believe in this theory, I fail to see what difference that makes to anything... Please explain.

Apollo 201

I've already explained it. Because if it's something you don't believe and aren't willibng to defend, then we can have a laugh and say, great joke and waste no more time beating about the shrub, while if it is something you beleive and you are willing to defend it, then we can get into a serious discussion.

As long as there is no answer to if you plan to toss it out half way through by claiming that you never believed it and were just joshing, I can't see the point of wasting my time on it.