Questions for Jesus-Freak

bruto said:
I quite agree. I have not seen an instance where Edge expressed bigotry based on his religion. I could easily have missed it in this long thread. Can you cite?
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From earlier in the thread, a quickly found example:

Un-like you she is a Christian...I would like to meet her rather than the likes of you any day.
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Miss Anthrope said:
From earlier in the thread, a quickly found example:
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Can you provide a link so we can view context?

No offense, but the skeptic in me wants to make sure that isn't just purely cherry-picked to show edge in the worst possible light. Edge and I have debated a couple of times, both publicly and via PM, and I really haven't seen anything I could call bigoted or hateful, even though our positions were completely opposite.
 
Hokulele said:
Can you provide a link so we can view context?

No offense, but the skeptic in me wants to make sure that isn't just purely cherry-picked to show edge in the worst possible light. Edge and I have debated a couple of times, both publicly and via PM, and I really haven't seen anything I could call bigoted or hateful, even though our positions were completely opposite.
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I found it on page four of his posting history, sorry, I'm not going back to find it, it was indeed on this thread.

Also, examples abound in his posting history for "The Bible is 100% True and to be Taken Literally", where he says of unbelievers "Satan has you" and that god does not reveal things to unbelievers, and also says that he, personally, can see the light of god in peoples eyes, that a "demon" murdered a friend, this person being a demon because he was not Christian.
 
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Miss Anthrope said:
I found it on page four of his posting history, sorry, I'm not going back to find it, it was indeed on this thread.

Also, examples abound in his posting history for "The Bible is 100% True and to be Taken Literally", where he says of unbelievers "Satan has you" and that god does not reveal things to unbelievers, and also says that he, personally, can see the light of god in peoples eyes, that a "demon" murdered a friend, this person being a demon because he was not Christian.
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Got it, here is the link.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2383758#post2383758

In context, that was pretty brutal, but he does seem to have been goaded into it. The rest you mention is very intolerant, deluded, and just plain odd (side note, I didn't read the other thread through, it was just too much for my poor little brain). To be fair though, from what I have seen, he does take quite a bit of abuse before he snaps like that. I would say that religious bigotry in reverse is used quite a bit on him, and that often triggers it.
 
Miss Anthrope said:
From earlier in the thread, a quickly found example:
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Close enough, I guess. :(

Sorry, Edge. I've always counted you as one of the more civil posters from the fundamentalist camp, but even if others have dealt you similar nasties and goaded you into it, some of the comments cited are over the line between very opinionated and bigoted.
 
bruto said:
Close enough, I guess. :(

Sorry, Edge. I've always counted you as one of the more civil posters from the fundamentalist camp, but even if others have dealt you similar nasties and goaded you into it, some of the comments cited are over the line between very opinionated and bigoted.
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Things like that make me angry especially when she, “Kathy" isn't here to defend herself.
The one thing I don't do is talk behind your backs.
Some of the things that you say are insulting, I turn my check once and twice but the third time well then, there a time to fight and a time to win.
Like I said there are friends of mine who don’t believe and I get along with them fine.
You, in my eyes, are in danger.
So I might just be your best friend or just a nuisance to you what ever you think

nails3jesus0
Just the name is An insult, she took what the reverend said about her and turned it on Kathy.
Kathy wasn’t even there.
And why are you crying about this?
Like you all don’t do this every day on here.

Go to the flame war the Atheist started there's your example.
And I'm not perfect that’s why I ask for guidance every day.
And yes I flamed his (_!_) back, it’s called venting!

If I were bigoted I wouldn’t be here.
I can take it so should you.

And if the Christian god did exist, I'd hope I am pushing it. I'd hope I'm pushing every cosmic button he's got.
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Whether you like it or not the truth is the truth you can't change that and you are fulfilling a prophecy.

Does this mean that some one who is covered by the cross, but performs occasional unrighteous works is some one you would rather have in your community than one who is uncovered but righteous?
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Of course not, would you want to deal with slings X?
People who say they are but are not are in even deeper bullspit.
I would have to beat him up. :)
 
Hokulele, Beleth, I talked with my mother the other day everybody that was there seen it as it happened on the spot.
She retold to me, a story that she said happened right before WW2, you interested?
 
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Stuff that you make up in order to feel justified in your bigotry.

Ossai
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I wish that were true it would be simple for me to be what I liked to be.
Then I would be what I liked to be.
So I take into account what I'm suppose to be and the word is right and what I like is wrong.
We are all more than what we like, I have got over what I like and am thinking of what I should be.
I try to walk with God He's got one long stride.
But then he stops and points.....
You just have to be able to be able, to pick up on it.
Simple, listen to the stories that people relate to you.
You won't listen with out picking apart what has been related to you so that you can justify your beliefs. Does that make me what you want, to justify yourself?
I have no Idea what is in store for you.
You may make it before me.
I just don’t take any chances but like I said I’m not perfect.
 
edge said:
Things like that make me angry especially when she, “Kathy" isn't here to defend herself.
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This is an open forum.
She is more than welcome to come here and defend herself.
Her arrogant and pompous posts make it difficult for me to have any sympathy for her. She will not discuss issues. She is blatantly obtuse and willfully ignorant.

You, in my eyes, are in danger.
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You, in the eyes of Muslims are in danger. We care as much about your opinion as you do theirs.

Whether you like it or not the truth is the truth you can't change that...
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Neither can you. Neither can Muslims. Neither can Sikhs. Neither can Hindus.

All of those religions.
All those people who believe what they believe because of geography or familial bonds.

And you want us to believe that we are in danger for not following your brand of mythology.

Why?

Please, I would really, really like to know?

You say the truth is the truth. Well, right back at you. Your beliefs wont change the truth.

So, what is your basis for believing we are in danger for not believing in the Christian theology?
 
edge said:
Hokulele, Beleth, I talked with my mother the other day everybody that was there seen it as it happened on the spot.
She retold to me, a story that she said happened right before WW2, you interested?
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Sorry I didn't see this earlier. You are welcome to tell me your stories if you like (PM, unless you want the world to see), but one word of advice, I will listen to them as stories and treat them as stories. I understand the significance to you, but please understand that they will have much less significance to me. I am very comfortable with my world view, I do not believe in Christianity, any flavor thereof, and never will. This is not due to a lack of understanding. I went to a private Episcopal high school. I have read the bible cover to cover three times, once as scripture, once as literature, and once as history. I have studied other religions as well, and have personally visited many religious sites world-wide. Short of a personal visitation (and I mean some god, directly to me in person, not some other person's description of a visitation or revelation), there is nothing that will convince me of the correctness of any religious viewpoint. I am not saying this to belittle your viewpoint, but to make it clear that while I can understand and sympathize with your beliefs, I will never share them. If there is anything you would like to know about how I reached my personal opinions, please ask.

One other word of advice, I can see how this can be a very hostile environment to you and your views. I would recommend stepping back and cooling off before responding to certain posts (I know I have to at times), as your thoughts here are permanent and very public. If you and people like you (such as Jesus Freak and Rational Reverend) want your points to be taken seriously, please read your posts prior to submitting and think, is this what I really want people to think of me and my opinions? If the answer is yes, submit away.

Please do not be offended by any of this, it is merely my opinion, and is meant to help in creating dialog rather than diatribe.
 
I can write this one here, but it will take time to do.
I need a copy for myself.
This is about the children being inocent.

You, in the eyes of Muslims are in danger. We care as much about your opinion as you do theirs.
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Their hearts are bent toward God.
Yours' is not.
 
edge said:
I can write this one here, but it will take time to do.
I need a copy for myself.
This is about the children being inocent.



Their hearts are bent toward God.
Yours' is not.
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But their hearts are not bent toward Jesus. They reject him as their savior.
 
edge said:
I can't give you the answers that you want, most of mine come from within and experiences that just happen as I go along through life.
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So many different experiences, so many different beliefs. People used to believe the world was flat based on intuition.
People used to believe that the sun circled the earth based on intuition.
People used to believe that blood letting cured illness based on intuition.

Humans advanced when they realized that intuition was of limited value and devised ways to overcome intuition to find truth.

To truly probe truth with the strongest skepticism yields the fact that all that we know is founded upon intuition, in which case it's hard to even really condemn one idea or another.
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Few if any condemn the car. Hardly, most people simply get into the car and go.

This is an abuse of skepticism and philosophy. Empiricism might not be absolute but when the rubber hits the road it is the only thing that most of us can reasonably agree on.

There are truths we will never fathom.
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Old saw. This tells us absolutely nothing. It proves nothing. We might as well believe in leprechauns, fairies and even Santa Claus because, well, there are truths we will never fathom.

Yet you don't believe in Santa Claus. If your best friend did you would think him delusional. Why?
 
nails3jesus0 said:
uh its a JOKE. lighten up, really.
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It's a joke about torture, and in particular it's a joke about the torture of a person whom some people here feel close to. I think it is tasteless and unnecessarily rude. I don't like being told to 'lighten up' about things I care about, so I think the same is probably true for the Christians here. Maybe many people here find it perfectly okay or funny. I don't. I don't like the jokes and mockery on the wayofthemaster radio and I don't like this one either. It's your choice to use it as an ID though.

(adding: I like the content of your posts. But the ID grates on me every time I see it.)
 
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flume said:
It's a joke about torture, and in particular it's a joke about the torture of a person whom some people here feel close to. I think it is tasteless and unnecessarily rude.
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I grew up devotely religious and I used to be offended by many things directed at religion. I'm not hostile to religion per se but I don't feel that we should be so guarded about such humor depending of course the setting. I understand your being offended but I'm not sure it is necassary. Why do you feel offended? Are you offended by all jokes about religion or only those that pertain to issues that you feel are particularly sacred or sensitive in some way?

FWIW, I would be careful not to be offensive in many settings but this being a skeptics forum I'm not sure that it is reasonable to expect this degree of sensitivity from others. But I'm really not sure. I'm not belliteling you. You have a right to your feelings and I otherwise respect them.
 
RandFan said:
Are you offended by all jokes about religion or only those that pertain to issues that you feel are particularly sacred or sensitive in some way?
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I'm probably too sensitive. But for some Christians Jesus is seen as a real and caring being with whom they have a personal relationship. If someone's mother or brother had suffered through something terribly painful, I wouldn't think that was a subject for a joke or insult. Whether the ID is funny or not is a matter of opinion, and it can be hard to defend opinions. I probably wouldn't have mentioned my opinion, but the phrase 'lighten up' is one that causes a knee-jerk reaction for me.

(BTW although I was raised as a Methodist, I have been an nonbeliever for most of my life. This is not a personal issue for me, just a projection of how I imagine other people might feel, and a concern for their feelings.)
 
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