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T.A.M. said:
And on the other side of the coin that we have been discussing in other threads, the above quotes are some of the crap we see that makes us have so LITTLE TOLERANCE for the CT Wooists that come here.

TAM:)
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Heh, crossed my mind as well.
 
gumboot said:
Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

-Gumboot
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My misses thinks I waste my time on such idiots. If I compare it to fighting religions she understands. Its far from any sort of issue though. We usually have an in depth conversation about the possible mental issues or reasons that seem to be behind such thinking.

However my friends find it hilarious. We constantly meet up and have a laugh over the latest joke email I send out, probably about 30-40% dumb outlandish 9/11 things out there. One of my mates has no idea how I can read up on the stuff and not punch the monitor in haha.
 
My wife watched the BBC documentary with me because she was curious as to my Firefox bookmarks and asked me about them so I told her. She thought it was odd that I'd be interested in something like this - I think she just assumed I spent ALL my internet time playing World Of Warcraft :D - but she indulged me.

My wife's a staunch left winger (ie, votes socialist labour), cannot stand Bush or Blair and hates the war in Iraq. We've had some humdinging arguments about politics in the past.

Her take on 9/11 Truth was that it was all utter bo**ocks.
 
gumboot said:
Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?
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My friends originally thought I was a Twoofer, when I was watching LC on the internet, as well as SLC, then I reasoned with them and told them that you never get the full picture until you see both sides of the story. Other than that, I haven't had much trouble with my friends/family. My ex-girlfriend, who is still a very close friend of mine, asked me why I even bother.

I was also thinking, the behaviour of JC may be suited more for a teenager, trying to act like a grownup. When I was in high school and I needed info from people, people with some authority, I would e-mail them and add the title of Dr. to my name in order to get an answer more quickly. I had to do this for a few papers, since I wasn't able to get the article I needed for assignments or papers. When I sent an e-mail saying that I'm a high school student in need of this or that, I would hardly get any replies, but when I contacted them saying that I was a PhD candidate, or I was a doctor, or something like that, I would get a reply pretty quickly. I think JC is simply emulating that to make the twoof movement look good except instead of contacting authors of papers, he's trying to take a prophet-like form...
 
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My wife is profoundly uninterested in anything 9/11 related. To the extent she believes anything at all it's that the USA deserves the president it chose. Nobody I know cares except one family member, who I haven't spoken to about 9/11 for over a year. The great thing about not being a truther, of course, is that we don't need to evangelise. I have no problem with most of the world not caring, because realistically there isn't anything they should be caring about. It's a lot like my view, as an atheist, of religion; it's mostly an irrelevance.

Dave
 
Comsat Angel said:
I have to apologise for not contacting anyone in Social Services about this yet (Silly Busy day), but what I will do tomorrow is print all this data off and send it to them. Their job is to decide whether to intervene or not based on certain criteria, i.e. (based on a case from last week): is the YP ("Young person") displaying signs of assault? Are they still living at the same address as the plaintiff? Are they still in regular contact with the plaintiff? Are they aged under 18?" Answer no to all the previous means no action. Answer yes to any might mean intervention. The touchstone in all these instances is the Victoria Climbie case, where no professionals bothered to exchange information with each other, to fatal restult. Now, we err on the side of caution. There might not be any problem at all, but if there is -

I also have to apologise for making this sound enormously melodramatic. It's probably nothing!
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But ... if it isn't nothing ... then we have to hope that unlike many of the other truthers, he doesn't read this forum.
 
gumboot said:
Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

-Gumboot
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Not the 9/11 debunking stuff, no. In fact, this has given me a lot more to talk about than JUST 9/11...I have a sincere sense of awe whenever I see skyscrapers now, just to think what it takes to keep them standing. I live in Melbourne city too, so I'm pretty much awestruck 24/7. :p

However, skepticism of other topics has definately caused me to grow apart from some of my friends. We're currently discussing this in the General Skepticism and the Paranormal forum, the thread is something to do with 'A lonely existence.' Moochie started it, go check it out for some examples of how skepticism has affected people.
 
chillzero said:
Well then, hopefully the concerns of posters here are unfounded.
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Someone please notify authorities soon about this if they haven't already been notified. The sooner the responsibility is passed to those who should be making the decisions the better.
 
Mobyseven said:
Someone please notify authorities soon about this if they haven't already been notified. The sooner the responsibility is passed to those who should be making the decisions the better.
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This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.
 
tonicblue said:
This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.
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Did you do so?
 
tonicblue said:
This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.
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Really?

At least no one here is making unfounded claims that jackchit actually killed his wife. I mean, he obviously had a motive (PNAC) and could have allowed it to happen by not maintaining the car properly (LIHOP) or even tampered with the breaks (MIHOP) but he has admitted to have benefitted from her death (Silverstein) and he now has custody of the children (Iraq)......

But then we have no evidence to suggest Jackchit was responsible. And we're not CTers.

See the difference?
 
While it's not evidence of abuse, I believe the following is evidence of jackchit not putting his children first, and of disordered thinking.

A bit of background:

Wanting a cheap computer for my children to use I went to his house with the intention of buying one. I chose a machine from a few stacked in a corner paid him £70 and left.
When I got home I began to assemble the computer and made sure there was nothing contained on it my children shouldn't see, I noticed there were some files in the re-cycle bin one of them caught my eye because of the name "Beckham security" I restored the file and began to peruse the contents, you can imagine my amazement when I found details of the families security arrangements, maps of their houses, DNA profiles, travel arrangements, invoices, as well as a large number of e-mails and fax conversation between the security firms managing director and various people at "team Beckham" none of these documents were encrypted and at no stage did any of the documents have "confidential" or "private" on them. Let me be clear these documents contained explosive information so much so that if they were in the public domain would be very "troublesome" to a number of people, at this point for legal reasons I will not go into the details but this situation may change in the future.
Now knowing that this was a serious breach of security I contacted a national newspaper "the sun" we don't love it, and you will know why when you read on, a reporter "John Askill" called me back and told me he would call at my address the following morning and he did, after lengthy negotiations and many phone calls he agreed to purchase the story of the security breach for £20,000 on behalf of the sun. Please note the agreement was for the story...I did not sell the computer to them, the agreement was that none of the sensitive information would be re-produced or published this was a specific condition to which the sun agreed, John Askill in the subsequent Police Investigation is quoted as saying as much. click here to see the document in which he is quoted. To this day the sun have refused to pay the £20,000 despite John Askill signing a contract on behalf of the sun, I would advise anyone to avoid this publication if they find themselves in a similar situation, they crap on the very people they purport to represent I am now pursuing the payment through the courts.


At around 4.30 in the afternoon after Mr Askill had left (taking the computer with him) I was paid a visit by Hawkridge in an attempt to recover the computer it seems his company (chase security) had been tipped off by a friend of mine who thought the company would wish to get the computer back, I told Hawkridge that the computer had gone, to which he informed me the "heavies" were coming over from Manchester, and they would get it back by any means possible, he then left after making the comment "I wouldn't mind but I have not even made any money out of it".
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He bought a computer for his children but let it be taken away that day. (Not putting his children first.)

To prevent the Beckham family's private security details entering the public domain, he contacted the Sun, a major tabloid newspaper. (Disordered thinking.)
 
orphia nay said:
While it's not evidence of abuse, I believe the following is evidence of jackchit not putting his children first, and of disordered thinking.

A bit of background:



He bought a computer for his children but let it be taken away that day. (Not putting his children first.)

To prevent the Beckham family's private security details entering the public domain, he contacted the Sun, a major tabloid newspaper. (Disordered thinking.)
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He was putting his children first by checking to see if there was anything suspect that he wouldn't want them to see.

Are you seriously suggesting social services should investigate him because he tried to make some money selling a story to a paper?
 
Rawkarma said:
You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies, then he is likely to be unemployed, or have a poor and broken work record; using some form of substance abuse and in general poor health.

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The above quote is simply mind blowing.
 
tonicblue said:
This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.
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None of us here are in any position to either be able to investigate this, or have the right to investigate this. Social services has the means and the right.

Now, they might tell us that we are being overly sensitive. But I, among others here, am genuinely worried about this man's children.

If social services does investigate and does take this man's children away from him, that is not our fault, it is his own.

Go ahead and report me. I have not done anything wrong.
 
Mobyseven said:
None of us here are in any position to either be able to investigate this, or have the right to investigate this. Social services has the means and the right.

Now, they might tell us that we are being overly sensitive. But I, among others here, am genuinely worried about this man's children.

If social services does investigate and does take this man's children away from him, that is not our fault, it is his own.

Go ahead and report me. I have not done anything wrong.
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No, mobyseven, what you are genuinely worried about is using this mans kids as weapons against him in the 9/11 debunker vs. truther fight.

You are a despicable human being.
 
gumboot said:
Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?
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No. I know enough not to inflict it on people except when I think it might be interesting. Some of my friends are definitely impressed when I tell them I was on the BBC radio or the blog was mentioned in major magazines and newspapers. so it can be made interesting. But I don't get into any esoterica with friends because it's like talking about Green Lantern; unless your friend is into GL, you're boring them to tears. I learned that lesson in eighth grade.
 
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