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Another Twoof-War: JDX vs. RP?

Oliver

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Russel Pickering at LCF said:
I have decided to write this out in advance so you have the opportunity to observe and think for yourselves about some of the things going on and the things that will go on.

I have become privy to certain opinions of me and even Loose Change. I will be 100% honest here about certain opinions and what I think is happening. Take it with a grain of salt but do observe and think.

The first thing about some of the claims I hear is that I have infiltrated LC and am manipulating Dylan. This is 100% untrue. Dylan and I speak very infrequently. I have had no input into the film that I wasn't asked my opinion on. Dylan is his own person and has his own mind. In fact, others have tried to get their point of view into the film - but not me.

The only influence I have had on the Pentagon section is the suggestion that it show all the theories side by side - including the flyover idea. Then I suggested that the film not take a personal position but blame the government for the existing controversy. That is based on the fact they won't release data.

Any other work I have done is in the interest of checking facts and trying to make the film debunkable. That's it. No conspiracy or plot despite what paranoid minds are trying to convince you of.

As a part of that, people are plotting to make me out to be an agent. I can only say as I have many times - that is 100% false. Dylan asked me to stay at these forums after Rob ripped them apart and appealed to Invision to have them shut down. Now why would somebody who is operating anonymously to the general public and who had only 5 months into the 9/11 movement want to come in here and be an admin and then try to have the forums of the number 1 9/11 movie shut down?

At that time Merc had plans to take his research to a new level and have a roadshow. Rob was building membership to a LC look-alike forum and planning his own film making venture.

So now between the 2 of them that refer to each other as "brother" sites we have a look-alike forum, a new website, 3 new films and a fourth on the way. Hmmmmm?

But yet after being banned at least twice each, they still want to force their way back in here to attack me and disrupt the forums? I have allowed them back so they could have a voice. Bad idea?

We did not have this kind of activity here since the last time they were both here have we? Now it is an instant replay. Attacks on me, paranoid suspicions, accusations, self-promotion and attempts to divide. Hmmmm?

The one thing I have warned Dylan about is to watch what happens preceding the release of LCFC. There is no doubt that attempts to disrupt it will be made. I have told Dylan the forums will be the end place that interested viewers of the film will go to get more information. People will watch a 2 hour film but they might spend 4 hours here.

My original goal in being an admin was to have these forums a place where free-thinking grown ups could actually come and learn. That is why we tried to allow a diversity of ideas and up the level of communication. I am starting to feel that is futile because of those people that are emotionally and mentally predisposed to hard core fantasy conspiracy theories. Those are the people who like cult leaders are also the ones that work day and night to be the ones influencing people's minds.

So now for some reason they want to be back here - they actually connive and insist on being back here. Ask yourself, if this is such a bad place why do they need to be here and try to dominate as in the past?

Rob and Merc are both egomanics and very vindictive. They were both banned justifiably for unacceptable behavior. Merc wants to be the top dog in Pentagon research and imagine he has actually solved the case. Rob (who has less than a year researching) wants to control all data related to the Pentagon plane. They have put massive amounts of energy into promoting themselves.

Instead of attacking me, demand that Rob release all of the FDR data publicly and try to get him to answer three questions:

1) If the FDR is altered - what is the original source of the data?
2) Why would the government plant data that contradicts the official story?
3) What is the track angle true of the plane?

Then ask yourself exactly what the government has supplied in response to PFT's demands. I mean what have they accomplished except for self-promotion?

Instead of attacking me, demand to see ALL of Merc and Lyte's 13 unedited interviews. If this is the truth and they were 100% honest with you - they would do that. Ask yourself what they want to hide. Then demand 3 answers from them.

1) Why can't we see all the footage?
2) Why didn't they clarify with Robert when they had the opportunity to find out what his actions were in the Citgo video?
3) What about the mechanical damage to the area?

So now that both of these groups - CIT and PFT - have weaseled their way back in here to attack me and disrupt the forums you can get your chance to see.

I have no books. I have no movies. I don't push my site. I present data of an impact for people to consider or explain how it was faked. I have not started threads or pushed even that POV while waiting for Pentacon to come out. I don't self promote. I have zero control over what goes in LCFC. I don't make any money at this. I can go on but you get the point. I PROMISE you any thoughts you or anybody else has of me being an agent are 100% DELUSIONAL. It is not real.

The bottom line is that a real plane hit the Pentagon just like at the towers. All 3 were most likely remotely guided. Did they reinforce the Pentagon wall to fly over it?

The CIT flyover is purely fictional.

The manipulation of the FDR data by PFT is dishonest.

All of this should be considered and understood - but anybody telling you they have figured everything out and that you should follow them and watch/buy their products (snake oil) are the ones to be held in suspicion.

I am not saying they are agents - but their data is misinformation. 100%.

They will manipulate behind the scenes to rise to power here. They will push their theories and attack whoever gets in the way of promoting themselves. Just watch and see.

As I fade out over time, eventually you will clearly observe the methodology of these groups. It is and will not be me who disrupts Loose Change.

The government is very happy with both of these groups because what they are selling you is not true.

Observe and think!
Is this the beginning of another truth war? At least, JDX
and Thrillclown will not be amused, i guess. :rolleyes:
 
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It could be. It does seem that more and more videos are coming out, each trying to grab a share of the pie. However, there's a finite number of gullible people out there, and the Twoof movement's exposure is diminishing rapidly. Soon, they'll all be trying to convince the same six gullible college students to spend their allowances on Twoof merchandise.
 
I just looked at the Pentacon video on Google. 21,000 viewings in a month? No wonder Merc and Lyte Trip wanted back into the Loose Change Cult!
 
I just looked at the Pentacon video on Google. 21,000 viewings in a month? No wonder Merc and Lyte Trip wanted back into the Loose Change Cult!

21K in a month?! Hell, they'd probably have gotten that many by accident from people looking for www.pentacon.com

And you also have to wonder how many were JREFers debunking it...
 
1) Why can't we see all the footage [of Merc and Lyte Trip's interviews]?

Its like, their own little pentagon conspiracy camera unreleased video conspiracy
 
It is a shame that Russell sees the 9/11 attacks the way he does. He seems to be genuine, and an honest and humble researcher. We could use him here to help debunk all the shaite we see.

TAM:)
 
It is a shame that Russell sees the 9/11 attacks the way he does. He seems to be genuine, and an honest and humble researcher. We could use him here to help debunk all the shaite we see.

TAM:)


He seems to be one of the people who are able to wake up
without a looooooooooooooooooong depression afterwards.
 
It is a shame that Russell sees the 9/11 attacks the way he does. He seems to be genuine, and an honest and humble researcher. We could use him here to help debunk all the shaite we see.

TAM:)



He does seem to be a strange sort - he is willing to change his opinions as as result of learning new things, but he seems incapable of accepting such learning from any source but his own efforts. So any aspect of the 9/11 events that he simply cannot determine by his own means (such as who flew the planes), he seems unable to accept.

What I wonder is, how many CTs does he have to personally debunk, before he begins to consider that even the ones he can't personally debunk are likely also false?

Very strange indeed.
 
RP said:
Any other work I have done is in the interest of checking facts and trying to make the film debunkable. That's it.
So...Russel admits he's an agent!!!! :D
 
RP said:
The bottom line is that a real plane hit the Pentagon just like at the towers. All 3 were most likely remotely guided. Did they reinforce the Pentagon wall to fly over it?
I don't get this at all. There is no evidence of remote control, and why would Russell think they would reinforce a wall to destroy it w/ a plane? I'll never figure out why troofers believe the things they do.
 
He does seem to be a strange sort - he is willing to change his opinions as as result of learning new things, but he seems incapable of accepting such learning from any source but his own efforts. So any aspect of the 9/11 events that he simply cannot determine by his own means (such as who flew the planes), he seems unable to accept.

What I wonder is, how many CTs does he have to personally debunk, before he begins to consider that even the ones he can't personally debunk are likely also false?

Very strange indeed.
I think that when your default position is that the government is completely corrupt and never tells the truth, your own research would be the only research you could trust.

Many critical thinkers are aware that there is corruption in the government, but we can still look at the NIST report and judge the evidence on it's own merit. Many truthers automatically assume that the NIST report is a lie, and therefore the truth must be the opposite of what the NIST report says.

Weakening supports?
Nope. Explosives.

Planes crashing into the WTC?
Nope. Holograms and Star Wars beam weapon from space.

Plane crash in Shanksville?
Nope. They dug a hole and planted parts.

Plane crash into the Pentagon?
Nope. Flyover and a missile.

Terrorists?
Nope. NWO and remote controlled planes.

All passengers killed on impact?
Nope. Taken somewhere else and murdered.
 
I don't get this at all. There is no evidence of remote control, and why would Russell think they would reinforce a wall to destroy it w/ a plane? I'll never figure out why troofers believe the things they do.


I guess the remote control is self defense. And the reinforced
walls are a truther argument for "limiting the damage"... :rolleyes:
 
It could be. It does seem that more and more videos are coming out, each trying to grab a share of the pie. However, there's a finite number of gullible people out there, and the Twoof movement's exposure is diminishing rapidly. Soon, they'll all be trying to convince the same six gullible college students to spend their allowances on Twoof merchandise.

Unfortunately I don't agree with you here Mr Hunter. I think gullible people are just about the only inexhaustable resource on the planet. Just ask Sylvia and Uri. I believe there is at least one born every minute.
 
I don't get this at all. There is no evidence of remote control, and why would Russell think they would reinforce a wall to destroy it w/ a plane? I'll never figure out why troofers believe the things they do.


I read that sentence a few times to see if I misunderstood the prose.
I also feel it odd he would think the planes were remote controlled, I thought he was past that theory, that seems lumped in with the really deep theories, not on the fringe where he seems
 
I read that sentence a few times to see if I misunderstood the prose.
I also feel it odd he would think the planes were remote controlled, I thought he was past that theory, that seems lumped in with the really deep theories, not on the fringe where he seems

Ich auch.

While reading Russell's post I cheer for him, until I get to that one sentence. They drop my head in disappointment. He's like a drug addict that can't shake his addiction. The remote control theory is every bit as loopy as Merc, Lyte and JDX's theory. It reminds me how early on the JFK nutters shouted that the classified autopsy x-rays would show the true nature of the wound. As soon as they got access to them and the supported the Warren Commission, the nutters immediately screamed that the x-rays were fakes!

So sad.

:(
 
Russel said:
Who are you Killtown?

What is your mission here?

Why do you operate from secrecy and divert everything about 9/11 into something a normal, rational American would laugh at and walk away from?

Is that your mission? To keep rational people away from this topic?

You want me de-admined so you can anonymously continue your masquerade?

You have zero credibility or honesty. In fact, your are number one suspect in my book if I was ever going to embark on a who's the agent hunt.

C'mon - I'll de-admin myself tonight if you tell us who you are and let us verify it.

I DARE you.

Identify yourself and let us confirm it.

I will de-admin myself immediately and NEVER make a single post here ever again.

If you believe I am not to be trusted and might be an agent - then save the truth movement.

Make a little sacrifice.

What is more important - your secrecy or 9/11 truth? You are a truther right?

Your answer will come in actions.

If you don't take this deal then we know your words are totally empty and you as a person are not a truther.

I will be gone for ever.

DO IT!!!!


Thread: Watch The Forums Very Carefully
Thread: The Desperation Of Russell Pickering

Wow, it's getting pretty hot over there and I already know
Killtowns response to Russel's offer.
 
Russell Pickering:

Identify yourself and let us confirm it.

I will de-admin myself immediately and NEVER make a single post here ever again.

If you believe I am not to be trusted and might be an agent - then save the truth movement.

Make a little sacrifice.

What is more important - your secrecy or 9/11 truth? You are a truther right?

Your answer will come in actions.

If you don't take this deal then we know your words are totally empty and you as a person are not a truther.

I will be gone for ever.

DO IT!!!!
Translation:
I'm gonna get you, you snivelling little weasel
Lyte Trip:
God damn killtown!

How can you pass this up?

Go public, get rid of Russell, denounce NPT as a mistake and you will have made one of the most incredible contributions to the movement possible!

You'll sure be my hero!
Translation: Hey, here's our chance to get rid of Russell. C'mon Killtown take one for the team! Pleaaaase! I'll be your best friend! All wars have some collateral damage. Sacrifice yourself Killtown!
Killklown:
Because I'm not looking to get rid of Russ, I just want him taken out of a position of power. The devil you know and can keep an eye on is not as dangerous as the devil you don't know and can't keep an eye on.

If I denounced NPT is a mistake, I'd be a liar.
Translation: No way! I aint going public. Jeez, what with val mclatchey and the IRS, I'd have to get a proper job! And then there's all my other little personal secrets. Nope. You guys are on your own. I aint being your patsy (though that is one of my little secrets, but only at the weekends)
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5855&st=0&#last
 
After the Beef between Killtown and Russ yesterday Killtown
started a thread asking about what happened to another
member who supported the NPTs:

Here's Dylan's answer:

Dylan@LCF said:
Three concurrent posts promoting "TV Fakery"

When we move it the first time, get the hint.

That bul**hit, yes bul**hit, is not tolerated. Period.


So let's wait for the next whining episode as soon as Killtown
returns to the forum... :rolleyes: Dylan seems to be in good mood for
crybabies right now.
 
Re: Russell is right

Russell; This posting that you wrote about Mr. Avery and others was the best common sense said in the right way. Question. There are others saying that Pickering and Danner are Zionist ,Jew haters, Goverment shills.and all kinds of Crazy S@#t and the Mosaad and even MI-6. If you doubt me then E-mail my son. I am behind you and you are what Hannity would say to me? That you are fair and balanced.
 

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