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Which means your entire argument boils down to post hoc rationalization and an argument from personal incredulity; neither or which will be convincing to the scientific/academic/legal communities at large.

Yes, I know; that's why I said "so never mind."

But I think I'm right. ;)
 
"Let's face it" ? Exactly how are we "dubious" ?

Well for a start, we've got a guy on here who doesn't seem to know what a 'right angle' is, supported by a group of people, none of whom seem to have noticed this or pointed it out.

This basic trigonometry was something I learned about in school so long ago I can't even remember when it was, but it must have been when I was about 7 or 8 years old - or maybe even younger.

To be interrogated by a poster with this weak a grasp on ... on... I can't think of a word for it - childhood?, is a farce.
 
You do realize that holding a belief that is neither logically consistent, nor factually substantiated, is not a rational course of action don't you?

I know, it's like believing in God. Or believing Hitler burned the Reichstag. Or believing OJ did it. Or that Vince Foster was whacked. I know.
 
Ok, engineers:
Anyone want to break it to 'ol scoob the angle of the shear plane (the angle steel fails at under a combined stress failure) in a chunk of steel tends to take?

Oh yes please do, please explain how this shearing effect can occur without any buckling of bending of the steel. Who did it - Zorro?
 
Which means your entire argument boils down to post hoc rationalization and an argument from personal incredulity; neither or which will be convincing to the scientific/academic/legal communities at large.

Jesus NO!

Not post hoc rationalization, surely not?

What's a right angle again Slim?
 
Yes, it is irrelevant.

It does nothing to confirm that this was the case with the steel beam in question, and is rendered useless in light of the fact that cuts like this were present in the debris before the cleanup operation began.

Good Lord, here it is again ...

[qimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/11/214131/AAACrossOriginal1024.jpg[/qimg]

At that size, it becomes clear that the top of the "cross" is NOT a diagonal. It is straight edge, and there is some debris in the background making the diagonal line you think is on the cross.

Once again, the cross demonstrates confirmation bias. Also, the perils of investigation by pixelated photograph is firmly underlined.
 
This is the most ridiculously intellectually evasive thing I have read. This is why any sane person gets frustrated with the CT crowd - the continual shifting of the goalposts. Why do you not simply contact the FDNY through phone or email?? RAMS has done the heavy lifting for you; HE has done your research FOR YOU. Yet, instead of accepting what he tells you as truth, or confiming it as he has provided you the FDNY contact information, you insist that he provide the contact information to one of your kook websites so they can tell you - and then you'll believe it. Let me ask you - what have you done that would lead anyone to believe that you would accept a FDNY press release on this photo as truth? Why would anyone expect a CT website to acknowledge a mistake when NO INDIVIDUAL CT BELIEVER can acknowledge one?? All you have to do is say, "wow, I guess that photo was taken much later, not in the immediate aftermath like I implied" - and YOU CAN'T DO IT!!

You think is some kind of sinister CT and martial law is coming, etc. etc., and you can't even shoot an email to someone because you're too damn thoughtful to pester them?!? :dl: oh, scoob, you are TOO RICH!!



Scooby, this reponse I've quoted from 'Augustine', above, is rather brilliant in its unbiased deduction of fact.

So, continuing in the inquiry based on fact and not conjecture, why do you NOT confirm with the absolute source thus provided at FDNY? They will love to confirm for you that they did not kill anyone, blow up the WTC, drive the planes into the buildings, 'pull' the buildings down, find explosives, start fires, lace the support beams with pentex and primacord explosves, or any other issue of intended malice.

They did lose 319 dedicated and brave souls, never to see the light of day again. 1/10 of all deaths at WTC was a Fireman.

Shame on you bastards, inferring murder upon our own and the FDNY, no less. You are trafficking with very dark people in Strange 2.

And being objective, if 'Strange 2' doesn't get its chit pulled together, all of it, it is going to be litigated for felony slander, in toto, beyond its wildest imagination.

I have supplied the unmitigated source for accuracy and you still pathologically lie, defame, slander, refuse facts. Why the insidious lying? I do not understand this. You do respond well, when you forethink before the post.

Please respond to this.

Thank you

RAMS
 
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I have the ability and software to resolve through HST a license plate number on a car at 100 miles from low earth orbit. I can resolve if there was issues of malice concerning 911 day or missing visual data, along with professional analysis of same.

Oh really, you up there now?

How many fingers am I holding up?
 
Still ignoring me scooby?

What was wrong with how fast the towers fell scooby? Come on, I even started a new thread for you to post your answer in. Still scared of me?
 
Still ignoring me scooby?

What was wrong with how fast the towers fell scooby? Come on, I even started a new thread for you to post your answer in. Still scared of me?

Your question is fair and it is a matter of a simple 'yes, I understand', or 'no, I was in error'. Odd the pride quotient of denial. When he does formulate a complete sentence, he makes sense.

RAMS
 
At that size, it becomes clear that the top of the "cross" is NOT a diagonal. It is straight edge, and there is some debris in the background making the diagonal line you think is on the cross.

Once again, the cross demonstrates confirmation bias. Also, the perils of investigation by pixelated photograph is firmly underlined.

On a closer look - you might be right.
Lord why have you forsaken me now?
 
So, continuing in the inquiry based on fact and not conjecture, why do you NOT confirm with the absolute source thus provided at FDNY? They will love to confirm for you that they did not kill anyone, blow up the WTC, drive the planes into the buildings, 'pull' the buildings down, find explosives, start fires, lace the support beams with pentex and primacord explosves, or any other issue of intended malice.

Look Rams,
I've given you some time as you're new here and possibly not a 100% bull****ter. But this period of uncertainty is coming to an end buddy. Nobody is accusing the FDNY of any such thing. If you want to imply that they are, in yet another attempt to milk the event for sympathy - well that's your sorry business. It's nothing I need to respond to.
 
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They did lose 319 dedicated and brave souls, never to see the light of day again.

343.

And, Robert, I would ask that you keep the threats of litigation to yourself unless and until members of the FDNY, members of the NYPD, victims' family members, et al have their lawyers do the legal work. It is all well and good to rail against the lies that many conspiracy fantasists spew but, seriously, leave the threats of legal proceedings to others. Not only are you not in a position to bring litigation against the conspiracy fantasists, it is also bad form to compromise the legal strategy of those who are.
 
Look Rams,
I've given you some time as you're new here and possibly not a 100% bull****ter. But this period of uncertainty is coming to an end buddy. Nobody is accusing the FDNY of any such thing. If you want to imply that they are, in yet another attempt to milk the event for sympathy - well that's your sorry business. It's nothing I need to respond to.


I sense you are having difficulty collating.

I categorically stated that you have and are and probably will infer that FDNY and others so affiliated, are in league with those that are responsible for the murder of 3000+ citizens of ours. This is the bottom line, not mincing words, of the 911 conspiracy movement.

That is the issue. Whether I am new here or not is not the issue. If you are running out of patience or the like, which is puzzling in itself, is not my concern.

Have you contacted FDNY as suggested on the angle cut beam issue, the date of the photograph or same, etc?

RAMS
 
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Yes, it is irrelevant.

You asked for a specific piece of information to disprove a hypothesis.
I provided you with the specific piece of information you asked for.
You stated without justification that the specific piece of information you asked for was irrelevant.
Why, then, did you ask for it?

I have a theory that fits all the above facts. I suspect I'm not alone.

Seen any pictures in the smoke from the collapse yet?

Dave
 
343.

And, Robert, I would ask that you keep the threats of litigation to yourself unless and until members of the FDNY, members of the NYPD, victims' family members, et al have their lawyers do the legal work. It is all well and good to rail against the lies that many conspiracy fantasists spew but, seriously, leave the threats of legal proceedings to others. Not only are you not in a position to bring litigation against the conspiracy fantasists, it is also bad form to compromise the legal strategy of those who are.



Yes, I will obey your suggestion in toto.

Thank you.

RAMS
 
Yes, I will obey your suggestion in toto.

Thank you.

RAMS

Well, "heed" might be a better word than "obey" as it was a suggestion rather than an edict ;)
but thank you, Robert.
 
Well, "heed" might be a better word than "obey" as it was a suggestion rather than an edict ;)
but thank you, Robert.

My pleasure. I will go straight out balls to the wall, unless checked at times. I never had that in Strange 1, even though it all worked out, but here is a whole different ball game.

Thank you for taking the time with me.

Robert
 

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