Rudy Giuliani's platform for '08

corplinx said:
Iduno, ask loaded questions that imply I support them?
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I've never seen any indication you don't support them. You attack dems for doing something and then make excuses when a republican does the same thing. You tend to toe their party line, and you're still willing to support a republican candidate even after the disaster they're wrought on this country. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
corplinx said:
... and have me looking hard at Rudy since anyone getting met with rhetoric like "hes just running on 911" must be something to be feared.
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Huh?

This is like the thing I get with creationists where they explain that I wouldn't be arguing with them if they were wrong.

The fact that some people think that Giuliani's rubbish doesn't mean that he's good.

He may well be, and feel free to make your case, but the fact that he has his detractors is not a point in his favor any more than the fact that some people slag off Hillary Clinton means that you should vote for her.

Sheesh.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Huh?

This is like the thing I get with creationists where they explain that I wouldn't be arguing with them if they were wrong.
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Man, getting compared to a creationist. Its a weird skeptic version of a Godwin sandbag.

Am I not allowed to be honest in that there's something about Obama's fandom that turns me off and I have irrational urges like "stick up for the one republican who isn't promising to overturn Roe v. Wade" ?

I even pointed out his farewell address which becomes almost academic about city management. There is a good reason I did this, he mentions results. NYC became a better city under his management although I at times felt he was too intrusive and authoritative. I am open to the fact that maybe NYC is such a special case that it needs that sort of management.

Edited to Add: My point here is that he is a known quantity. Platforming isn't that important. He has a track record you can easily point to with numbers to judge his performance by.
 
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corp, I heard a snippet of a speech Rudy gave in which he passionately argued that government should pay for abortions for indigent women. All the Dems would have to do if he is the Republican nominee is to run that speech thousands of times throughout the South. It would be even better if there is video of it. Buh-bye, Rudy.

ETA: In the rest of the country, the Dems could repeat the tactic that was used against Kerry: Flip-flop everywhere he goes. Buh-bye, Rudy.
 
corplinx said:
Man, getting compared to a creationist. Its a weird skeptic version of a Godwin sandbag.
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As I said, if you like him and want to argue for his record, then feel free to make your case.

But if you argue for him merely on the basis that some people don't like him, then yes, that is indeed an argument I've seen from creationists; and also from people who thought the CIA were reading my thoughts with their telepathic mind-control device; and also from people who thought they were the Second Coming of Jesus.

Am I not allowed to be honest in that there's something about Obama's fandom that turns me off
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Of course you are allowed to be honest about your opinions, just as I am allowed to make fun of them.

You are displaying another woo-woo symptom: you are confusing people who disagree with you with people who oppose your freedom of speech.

You can say whatever dumb things you like. And I can mock you. That's how it works.
 
Dr Adequate said:
You are displaying another woo-woo symptom: you are confusing people who disagree with you with people who oppose your freedom of speech.
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And there you go again, comparing me to a woo woo. Welcome to the ignore list jackass. And no, I didn't say you oppose my freedom of speech. You likened me to a creationist for having an appeal to Rudy based on people not liking him or whatever. I said that I also liked his empirical performance as mayor. You go back to comparing me to woos. And making this ridiculous claim that I think you oppose my freedom of speech. Get a life.
 
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SezMe said:
corp, I heard a snippet of a speech Rudy gave in which he passionately argued that government should pay for abortions for indigent women. All the Dems would have to do if he is the Republican nominee is to run that speech thousands of times throughout the South. It would be even better if there is video of it. Buh-bye, Rudy.

ETA: In the rest of the country, the Dems could repeat the tactic that was used against Kerry: Flip-flop everywhere he goes. Buh-bye, Rudy.
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I've seen that video as well. Like I said, Rudy doesn't stand a chance.
 
corplinx said:
And there you go again, comparing me to a woo woo. Welcome to the ignore list jackass. And no, I didn't say you oppose my freedom of speech. You likened me to a creationist for having an appeal to Rudy based on people not liking him or whatever. I said that I also liked his empirical performance as mayor. You go back to comparing me to woos. And making this ridiculous claim that I think you oppose my freedom of speech. Get a life.
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Would you mind not changing your posts after I've replied to them? Only it makes you look dishonest and cowardly.

To reply to the first alteration in your post, I have told you repeatedly that it is reasonable to support your candidate based on his record.

And to reply to the second alteration in your post, yes, when you whined "Am I not allowed to be honest in that there's something about Obama's fandom that turns me off?" then you were indeed whining as though mere criticism curtailed your freedom of speech --- an entirely imaginary criticim, by the way, since neither you or I discussed "Obama's fandom", or indeed Obama in any way shape or form, and I should like to see you lie your way out of that one.

You said it, and everyone reading this thread can read it. Unless you go back and edit it, of course.
 
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This is all academic. The only thing that can stop Hillary now is if she gets hit by a bus. Mitt, Rudy, McCain? Pleeeeze. She'll throw Obama a VP bone, and that will be that. Basically every woman I know is voting for her. So if even two men run, that splits the guy vote.
 
You must live in a monastary, Steve. :) Nearly all of my female friends are quite ambivalent about her. Sure, they'll support her if she wins the prelims, but many are working for others until that happens. I think it is far from a done deal.
 
steverino said:
This is all academic. The only thing that can stop Hillary now is if she gets hit by a bus. Mitt, Rudy, McCain? Pleeeeze. She'll throw Obama a VP bone, and that will be that. Basically every woman I know is voting for her. So if even two men run, that splits the guy vote.
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My wife is quite liberal but hates Hillary with a passion almost as large as that for Bush.
 
Beerina said:
My wife is quite liberal but hates Hillary with a passion almost as large as that for Bush.
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Ditto here. Okay, she's not liberal, but she's pretty far to the left of me (hell, most people are...) and she dislikes Clinton almost as much as she dislikes Bush. Not sure what it is, 'cuz my sense of it is that on the issues, Clinton's positions are pretty close to Mrs. BPSCG's. But I think she perceives Clinton as fundamentally dishonest, that every word that comes out of her mouth is a lie, including "the" and "and."

Funny, I think if the election were today, we'd both end up voting for Giuliani. We don't ever vote for the same candidates; we might as well stay home on election day if it weren't for the fact that we usually vote the same way on referendums and such.
 
Well, based on the feedback to my assumption that Hillary was in like Larry Flynn, I am quite relieved. :o

Beeps, what do you think of Fred Thompson? I like his "father-figure" persona, but he is a big cheerleader for pro-life and anti-gay stuff, based on an interview I heard on the radio, I am more concerned with homeland security and the economy than the socalled 3-G's.
 
steverino said:
Beeps, what do you think of Fred Thompson? I like his "father-figure" persona, but he is a big cheerleader for pro-life and anti-gay stuff, based on an interview I heard on the radio, I am more concerned with homeland security and the economy than the socalled 3-G's.
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Don't know enough about him to make an intelligent comment, though I know that some conservative true believers love him to death.
  • Fred Thompson has blasted more people in the face with a shotgun than even Dick Cheney.
  • The masked executioner of Saddam Hussein: Fred Thompson.
  • The reason Fred Thompson didn't want to stay in the Senate for long is because all the extra scrutiny kept him from doing his favorite hobby: Prowling the streets at night killing drug dealers.
  • Every night before going to sleep, Osama bin Laden checks under his bed for Fred Thompson.
  • Fred Thompson took over what was Al Gore's Senate seat, thereby dramatically reducing the Senate's carbon footprint. Fred Thompson then created carbon offset offsets by wastefully burning hippies.
  • Fred Thompson reconsidered running for reelection after 9/11 but later decided to handle things on his own. He was soon seen entering the Middle East with a bottle of tequila in one hand an a handgun in the other. They're still counting the dead.
  • Though Fred Thompson left the Senate in 2003, Harry Reid still hasn't stopped wetting his pants.
  • Fred Thompson's gaze can kill small animals.
  • Fred Thompson once ended a filibuster by ripping out a Senator's heart and showing it to him before he died.
  • Fred Thompson once stood on our south border and glared at Mexico. There was no illegal immigration for a month.
  • At a campaign stop, a Belgian Hound tried to hump Fred Thompson's leg. That breed of dog no longer exists.
  • Fred Thompson vows not only to win in Iraq but also to forcefully free Vietnam from Communism, thus giving America a perfect win/loss record for wars again.
  • If you purchase a weather radio, it will wake you up with an alarm to warn you when Fred Thompson is pissed off.
  • An abortion doctor tried to kill Fred Thompson when he was still in the womb, but he cut off the man's hand with scalpel while shouting, "Do you know who I am? I'm Fred Thompson!"
  • Fred Thompson's sense of strategy is so great that he can checkmate you using only a pawn and a knight.
  • Fred Thompson can know both the exact position and momentum of a particle. Furthermore, he knows Schroedinger's cat is dead because he personally strangled it.
  • The most efficient airline security is to have Fred Thompson stare down everyone entering a plane.
  • When terrorists get to the afterlife, they'll find that none of their seventy-two women are still virgins. Why? Because of Fred Thompson.
  • Fred Thompson can open clamshell packaging without the slightest trouble.
  • Why does Iran want nuclear weapons? Out of fear of Fred Thompson.
  • Some versions of the Bible have Mathew 5:5 read, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth... unless Fred Thompson wants it."
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I really don't care much about the social issues. National security and the economy are #1 and #2 on my list of priorities. Everything else - gay marriage and abortion included - starts around 74th place. Maintaining the federal helium reserve is #78, and #79 is punitive taxes on "lite" beer.
 
BPSCG said:
I really don't care much about the social issues. National security and the economy are #1 and #2 on my list of priorities. Everything else - gay marriage and abortion included - starts around 74th place. Maintaining the federal helium reserve is #78, and #79 is punitive taxes on "lite" beer.
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Why don't you care much about social issues (ie, your freedom)?
 
Tony said:
Why don't you care much about social issues (ie, your freedom)?
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Didn't realize "social issues" = "freedom"; I may have to amend my dictionary.

My point is, if I think a candidate is weak on national defense or the economy, he will not get my vote, no matter where he stands on anything else or everything else. Even if his positions on abortion, gay marriage, charter schools, marijuana legalization, flag burning, and a dozen other issues mirror mine exactly.
 
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