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LashL said:
RAMS,

What was the basis of Bell's lawsuit? I, for one, would love to see the complaint if you could post a copy of it or PM me :)

(The docs are all listed on the docket at PACER but, for some reason, the individual documents are not coming up for me at the moment)
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They are here just below; but start on this page for the whole story in detail, so one can flesh out what is afoot, and what is about to befall factions herein with 'Strange 2': you will see simliarities with 'Strange 1' quite clearly;

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/dismiss_page_1.html

The main gist of it was that I had his (Bell) main psycho guest, Richard Hoagland;

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

----against the wall about lying concerning NASA. And dafamation concerning same. How I did it was that I was never a civil service employee of NASA. Only a free agent contractor. I will approach it the same with Strange 2 and FDNY.

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel
 
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WildCat said:
That's good, but I've always been curious as to why members of the FDNY don't speak out against the troofers, especially when they directly implicate them in the destruction of WTC 7.
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Excellent question. Quite simply FDNY, like NASA, and their unions cannot defend themselves legally, publicly. I can. And so can any free agent individual.

I have. And did, with Strange 1 and the more I find out about 'Strange 2' (911 Conspiracy ilk), will do the same with them if all goes to hoyle......

RAMS
 
RAMS said:
They are here just below; but start on this page for the whole story in detail, so one can flesh out what is afoot, and what is about to befall factions herein with 'Strange 2': you will see simliarities with 'Strange 1' quite clearly;

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/dismiss_page_1.html

The main gist of it was that I had his (Bell) main psycho guest, Richard Hoagland againts the wall about lying concerning NASA. And dafamation concerning same. How I did it was that I was never a civil service employee of NASA. Only a free agent contractor. I will approach it the same with Strange 2 and FDNY.

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel
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I'm sorry. I probably wasn't clear enough in my post. I have read your website and I have read the dismissal documents that you posted there. What I was hoping to see is the actual complaint that he filed against Mr. Oates and yourself and the documents that were filed in between that time and the ultimate dismissal in May 2000. The documents are listed as docket entries on PACER but for some reason, I cannot get the actual documents to come up, just the docket entries. The complaint and the answer to complaint aren't even numbered as it appears that they were filed elsewhere and then transferred in to the Colorado District Court jurisdiction on 08/09/1999.

If you happen to have copies of the actual complaint and such, that would be interesting reading :)
 
I am appalled by Art's shameless promotion of Hoaxland and Ed Dames, its pretty obvious that Art is getting a cut from these two con artists.

Of course, Hoaxland hasn't lead to the death of a few dozen cult members like Dames has, but knowing Richard, something will happen.

None of the C2C hosts has the balls to have someone on refuting him anymore.
 
LashL said:
I'm sorry. I probably wasn't clear enough in my post. I have read your website and I have read the dismissal documents that you posted there. What I was hoping to see is the actual complaint that he filed against Mr. Oates and yourself and the documents that were filed in between that time and the ultimate dismissal in May 2000. The documents are listed as docket entries on PACER but for some reason, I cannot get the actual documents to come up, just the docket entries. The complaint and the answer to complaint aren't even numbered as it appears that they were filed elsewhere and then transferred in to the Colorado District Court jurisdiction on 08/09/1999.

If you happen to have copies of the actual complaint and such, that would be interesting reading :)
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I have them, and they are quite lengthy and they are at my home in the Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Mexico (my other place I call home, a beach cottage is all, along the Carribb-Gulf of Mexico). If this gets going as it generally does, they will come after me and I will then post the complaint docs officially when I get back from the Yucatan in August. I appologize I do not have them handy as it has been 7 years since I had to deal with Bell-'Strange 1' and the like. I wish badly I could comply better for you, especially now that I have entered 'Strange 2'.

..........wait. I just remembered. This man who Bell had a terrible hard-on for, on a completely different matter may have them handy--they are the same group docs between myself and this man. Tell him I sent you and that you would like them for repost-review. Bell is after this guy big time, still, but if you tell him I will take any heat if they are published, he may comply.

He is David John Oates, and he is here;

http://www.reversespeech.com/

Hope this is helpful for you and others.

RAMS
 
Dr. Lao said:
I am appalled by Art's shameless promotion of Hoaxland and Ed Dames, its pretty obvious that Art is getting a cut from these two con artists.

Of course, Hoaxland hasn't lead to the death of a few dozen cult members like Dames has, but knowing Richard, something will happen.

None of the C2C hosts has the balls to have someone on refuting him anymore.
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You are correct. If you consult certain dissenters, they will verify what I did to Strange. If you do a search on myself you will find 100s of slanderous insults and lies about me. Those are from Bell and his psycho web master (now defunct) and his cult followers, till the FBI put a stop to it. He attempted to destroy my career and my 20 year relationship with NASA as well.

He even tried to make something of this, in very dark sinister fashion. He also had guests on who said NASA killed her. I dated her for 2 years. Astronaut, Ph.D. Judith Resnik. (deceased, STS-51L, Challenger.

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/resnik.html


RAMS
 
RAMS said:
I have them, and they are quite lengthy and they are at my home in the Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Mexico (my other place I call home, a beach cottage is all, along the Carribb-Gulf of Mexico). If this gets going as it generally does, they will come after me and I will then post the complaint docs officially when I get back from the Yucatan in August. I appologize I do not have them handy as it has been 7 years since I had to deal with Bell-'Strange 1' and the like. I wish badly I could comply better for you, especially now that I have entered 'Strange 2'.

..........wait. I just remembered. This man who Bell had a terrible hard-on for, on a completely different matter may have them handy--they are the same group docs between myself and this man. Tell him I sent you and that you would like them for repost-review. Bell is after this guy big time, still, but if you tell him I will take any heat if they are published, he may comply.

He is David John Oates, and he is here;

http://www.reversespeech.com/

Hope this is helpful for you and others.

RAMS
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RAMS,

Thanks. I'll try to contact Mr. Oates to see if he has the documents handy. The PACER docket seems to indicate that at some point a settlement agreement was reached between Bell and Oates, then rescinded, and that a restraining order was sought at one point, and that they ultimately settled their differences with each party paying their own costs on 10/01/1999, with the action between you and Bell to continue.

(As an aside, there are numerous references to "former empl" - did Bell and Oates have an employee/employer relationship or ??? Just curious. Anyway, as I said, I would be very interested in reading the actual complaints that were filed against you and Mr. Oates by Bell so hopefully, Mr. Oates will provide them.)

The docket subsequently seems to indicate that an order to show cause, returnable 05/01/2000 was brought and the issue was whether the matter against you should be dismissed for failure to serve documents, and that it was ultimately dismissed on that basis.

Is that accurate? That it was dismissed for failure to serve documents in accordance with the rules?

On edit: never mind that last question. The order is clear that the action against you was dismissed for lack of service, so I have answered my own question.
 
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Um, RAMS, the "reverse speech" site that you provided above looks like complete and utter woo.

In light of his website, I have my doubts about Mr. Oates, but I guess I shouldn't let that stop me from asking him about the documents, so I will. With some trepidation. :)
 
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LashL said:
RAMS,

Thanks. I'll try to contact Mr. Oates to see if he has the documents handy. The PACER docket seems to indicate that at some point a settlement agreement was reached between Bell and Oates, then rescinded, and that a restraining order was sought at one point, and that they ultimately settled their differences with each party paying their own costs on 10/01/1999, with the action between you and Bell to continue.
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This is correct.

(As an aside, there are numerous references to "former empl" - did Bell and Oates have an employee/employer relationship or ??? Just curious.
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Correct again. Bell had Oates under contract for his show on a regular appearance basis. At some point, Oates did RS on Bell and Bell went bezerk. Bell in the RS world was lying, apparently. I do not understand nor subscribe to RS, personally. But David is a great guy none the less.


Anyway, as I said, I would be very interested in reading the actual complaints that were filed against you and Mr. Oates by Bell so hopefully, Mr. Oates will provide them.)
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I am sure he will if he knows that if Bell goes nutty, he can come after me.....again............

The docket subsequently seems to indicate that an order to show cause, returnable 05/01/2000 was brought and the issue was whether the matter against you should be dismissed for failure to serve documents, and that it was ultimately dismissed on that basis.

Is that accurate? That it was dismissed for failure to serve documents in accordance with the rules?
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Correct. We found illegal service and then the FBI got involved investigating him suspected for racketeering (having my web sites pulled down and stalking me around the net, and having his minions do the same, as well as same attack on David Oates).


On edit: never mind that last question. The order is clear that the action against you was dismissed for lack of service, so I have answered my own question.
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Great post and thanks.

RAMS
 
LashL said:
Um, RAMS, the "reverse speech" site that you provided above looks like complete and utter woo.

In light of his website, I have my doubts about Mr. Oates, but I guess I shouldn't let that stop me from asking him about the documents, so I will. With some trepidation. :)
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You are correct. As I said above, I do not subscribe to RS or anything like it, but know David Oates well and he is a very good man, none the less.

RAMS
 
RAMS said:
Again, I have provided contact information, phone numbers, email source, etc, at FDNY and First Responders for you and any other members of 'Strange' who wish to incorrectly espouse these 'I' Beams were blown with pentex, amithol, primacord, sodium pechlorate, thermite, thermex, etc, or any other explosive in some predetermined fashion with malice.

Here is your contact information again for you:

(718)-999-2845/1234 FDNY

or email Melissa Smith: smithma@fdny.nyc.gov

Melissa will send you to First Responders who will verify the many accurate responses so posted by many here in this thread as linked, concerning that photo and many like it posted all over the net.

That includes Mr. Steven Jones "Professor Boy", Dylan Avery at LC, you, or any other 'professional' within this 'conspiracy' realm now known as 'Strange'..........

Repeating your odd question again, yes, I am taking to you. Categorically.

Respond now. I hope you can find this thread topic and respond with the same verve you, Pagan and so many others in kind so readily respond to other unfound allegations and allegory. This is how dissent works. Respond please.


Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel
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NASA eh?

I've got a better sig for you ...

"In the back of van, gagged - no one can hear your screams."

Ring any bells?

If you think I'm going to pester a stranger at the FDNY, at the suggestion of an anonymous poster on a forum occupied by lets face it - extremely dubious characters - then you are very, very, very much mistaken.

If it is your contention that the photo's being discussed were taken on a specific date and by a specific person, then the ball's in your court to demonstrate that this is indeed true.

If you can't do it, don't ask me to do it for you.
 
scooby said:
If you think I'm going to pester a stranger at the FDNY, at the suggestion of an anonymous poster on a forum occupied by lets face it - extremely dubious characters - then you are very, very, very much mistaken.
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I don't think anyone here actually expected you to try and do genuine research and destroy your delusions. No one expects "truth" seekers to actually seek the truth. All talk and no action. You are living in your little made up, pretend world and you won't do a thing which may challenge it.
 
DavidJames said:
I don't think anyone here actually expected you to try and do genuine research and destroy your delusions. No one expects "truth" seekers to actually seek the truth. All talk and no action. You are living in your little made up, pretend world and you won't do a thing which may challenge it.
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Research what? - the photograph is irrelevant.

I've never claimed it is proof of anything - I have merely made the correct observation - that it is exactly the same as a demolition cut, as indeed have others.

Now when you have a situation where a building has been brought down by explosives, and this has already been demonstrated by a wealth of other information, in particular - the speed of the collapses - occams razor dictates that absent any other information, the safest assumption to make is that these are demolition cuts. However if it is later found to be the case that they are not, then they are not.

Unfortunately RAMS - it doesn't change anything.

Anyway you're here now and it seems you consider yourself a critical thinker (RAMS) - so tell me, in the roughly 3 years before films like Loose Change brought the 911 issue to prominence, where all you had to apply your critical thinking skills to was the official story - tell me, what problems did you find with it? There are many and they are well documented - so show us what your made of - where is your list of problems with the official story? It's changed a couple of times - but any version will do for your critique. Some lists run into the hundreds. Whats on yours?

And I'll give you some clues - some pointers, things that the skeptical mind would have noticed straight away.

Condoleeza Rices claim that there was no way they could have predicted that planes could have been flown into buildings by terrorists, when that very thing had been guarded against at the (then) recent G8 convention in Genoa.

And similarly the claim on Sept 11th, that the whole thing was a complete surprise, yet they produced a complete list of perpetrators on Sept 12th?

There's two easy ones to start you off - what else did you spot that indicated 'woo'?
 
scooby said:
NASA eh?

I've got a better sig for you ...

"In the back of van, gagged - no one can hear your screams."

Ring any bells?

If you think I'm going to pester a stranger at the FDNY, at the suggestion of an anonymous poster on a forum occupied by lets face it - extremely dubious characters - then you are very, very, very much mistaken.

If it is your contention that the photo's being discussed were taken on a specific date and by a specific person, then the ball's in your court to demonstrate that this is indeed true.

If you can't do it, don't ask me to do it for you.
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So you don't want to contact someone at the FDNY about when the pictures were taken and what the Firemen saw. You suggest that others should do it to prove what they are saying but you already called them "extremley dubious" therefore odds are you won't accept what they say if their position is supported.
I would even go so far as to guess that if you did contact the person and they supported RAMS position you would claim that they are scared of some kind of repercussion thus thier words can't be trusted.
If they supported your position then you'd finally have a smoking gun (well one that works anyway) but you fear to do so.

Well at least you have Paris.
 
Wow so much to choose from.....

let's go with

scooby said:
this has already been demonstrated by a wealth of other information, in particular - the speed of the collapses
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Okay scooby. What was wrong with the speed of the collapses?
 
scooby said:
And I'll give you some clues - some pointers, things that the skeptical mind would have noticed straight away.

Condoleeza Rices claim that there was no way they could have predicted that planes could have been flown into buildings by terrorists, when that very thing had been guarded against at the (then) recent G8 convention in Genoa.
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Source?


And similarly the claim on Sept 11th, that the whole thing was a complete surprise, yet they produced a complete list of perpetrators on Sept 12th?

There's two easy ones to start you off - what else did you spot that indicated 'woo'?
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Besides searching the flights for Arabic sounding names and Arabic looking people?
 
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