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scooby said:
No forget 911 being an inside job - apply your critical thinking skills to the official story, it has 'weaknesses' - how many can you spot and what are they?

If you are not willing to list the problems with the official story, well you're a pretty worthless critical thinker, either dumb, or dishonest.

It's really very simple.
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Scooby, I've tried this so many times here. To get them to list things about 9/11 that bother them. They say things like "why didn't Clinton get OBL" and such drivel.

I ask them what conspiracy theories they might acknowledge COULD be possible. The few that answer say "Watergate, Iran-Contra" etc. One guy did say he believed that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a scam. Shocked me! But that was a member here posting at another board, actually.
 
gumboot said:
What official story?

-Gumboot
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Well, I was told, right here at this board, that the "official story" was the FEMA report, the Commission report, and the NIST report. (Even though they are all contradictory).

So, yeah, what official story? I guess the crime isn't solved yet, is it?
 
scooby said:
No forget 911 being an inside job - apply your critical thinking skills to the official story, it has 'weaknesses' - how many can you spot and what are they?

If you are not willing to list the problems with the official story, well you're a pretty worthless critical thinker, either dumb, or dishonest.

It's really very simple.
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Ah, I see. We must use critical thinking to list the problems we have with the "official story", but if we use the same critical thinkg to come up with answers for those questions, or we find an answer at this website or another source then we should keep finding questions untill we come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job.

Look, there are things we don't know about 9/11, there are, as you say weaknesses, in the "official story". We know that. But said weaknesses don't point toward the USG as being a part of it. Sorry.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, i've recommended John Pilger's "Hidden Agendas" to you, for a start. Finished yet, my dear?
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Childlike, around here, the only "hidden agendas" are those damn twoofers!

Which brings up a question I have; do any of you think that the truth movement is trying to overthrow the government? Like a coup? Create a power void, and then fill it with their own?
 
Redtail said:
Look, there are things we don't know about 9/11, there are, as you say weaknesses, in the "official story". We know that. But said weaknesses don't point toward the USG as being a part of it. Sorry.
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I'd like to know what weaknesses you see.
 
scooby said:
I'm sure somebody here can point you to a thread on this forum where the subject has been dealt with in a manner acceptable to yourself.

Ask them.
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Put your academic integrity to the test and tell us how fast the WTC should fall and why with supporting facts and evidence. Please throw in some numbers too!
 
Redtail said:
Yes we are... Oh I see you think this was another "slip up" by the USG perps letting the AD cat out of the bag?
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I don't really know why Weldon talked about it. It's interesting. Was he trying to shed light on another scandal? Or was national security his goal? I don't know. But...

He did say it was "...to manipulate, degrade or destroy the global Al-Qaeda infrastructure." (Emphasis added).

When an operation is given the task of manipulating a terrorist network, voila; that is a handler.
 
Pardalis said:
Childlike, you also posted a link about witchcraft so I'm puzzled.
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Absolutely no progress in your posts, Pardalis. Boring. You seem to be puzzled all the time.

@skepticalcriticalguy: Wrong, in JREF-Land hidden agendas don't exist at all. Only woo-woo-fighting skeptics and stupid idiots. That's the problem. ;) Have fun!
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
I'd like to know what weaknesses you see.
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Off the top of my head;

Why did the "shooters" in groups like Able Danger not raise holy hell about the lack of communication between agencies?

Why was airline security so weak in this day and age?

Why wasn't binLaden's declaration of war taken seriously by either Admin?
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ETA: What weaknesses do you see in the Conspiricy theories?
 
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skepticalcriticalguy said:
I don't really know why Weldon talked about it. It's interesting. Was he trying to shed light on another scandal? Or was national security his goal? I don't know. But...

He did say it was "...to manipulate, degrade or destroy the global Al-Qaeda infrastructure." (Emphasis added).

When an operation is given the task of manipulating a terrorist network, voila; that is a handler.
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Or to lead them in to a sting op to catch them before they do anything.

So when are the trials starting? Or should I say when are you guys going to go beyond the internet forums, making movies, handing out fliers thing?
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, I was told, right here at this board, that the "official story" was the FEMA report, the Commission report, and the NIST report. (Even though they are all contradictory).
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Who told you that? Frankly the inclusion of FEMA seems a little odd. I haven't read all of the 9/11 Commission Report so I can't comment on its integrity. I've read all of the NIST report, although I confess a lot of it went over my head. However their explanation of the collapse initiation makes perfect logical sense, supports the visible evidence, and doesn't seem to have any flaws or omissions.

Most of my information from 9/11 I got from non-official sources.

-Gumboot
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
I don't really know why Weldon talked about it. It's interesting. Was he trying to shed light on another scandal? Or was national security his goal? I don't know. But...

He did say it was "...to manipulate, degrade or destroy the global Al-Qaeda infrastructure." (Emphasis added).

When an operation is given the task of manipulating a terrorist network, voila; that is a handler.
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http://www.iwar.org.uk/pipermail/infocon/2005-August/002897.html

To clarify, ABLE DANGER was a Department of Defense planning effort, tasked to Special Operations Command (SOCOM) by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The task assigned to ABLE DANGER was to identify and target Al-Qaeda on a global basis and, through the use of cutting edge technology (data-mining, massive parallel processing, neural networking and human factors analysis) and enhanced visualization and display tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy the global Al-Qaeda infrastructure.
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"Manipulate" through the use of technlogy, "manipulate " here means that they would disrupt their communications and intelligence.
 
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