Obama vs Hillary Round 1
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I think this whole fueding thing is pretty stupid. It draws attention to both of them (which is good, you know what they say about bad press) but then all the attention is put on them arguing with each other while issues about the current administration get ignored. I hope it works out well.
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Agreed. I don't think Obama had a hand in it but I like it. If Obama wins the nomination I will very likely be voting for a Democrat this presidential election. I hope others will seriously consider voting for him also.
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You have a point. I'm not sure it can be helped. FWIW, I don't personally care if it hurts Hillary. If she wins the election I will likely vote for a Republican.
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I'm also leaning towards Obama.
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My wife really likes Obama, but when I ask her what his policies are, it gets kinda vague. The kid's got charisma, and people are excited about supporting something new, but I don't see much substance beyond that.
Not yet, anyway. It's still a ways to election time.
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What about if Edwards wins the nomination?
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That's a fair point. I'll keep an open mind. This is what primaries are for.
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My preferences at the moment are Obama and Guiliani in that order. I won't say no to Edwards but He's not high on my list. I'm a registered Republican who hasn't been behind a Democrat since Gary Hart so I'm afraid you will have to settle for that. I see something I like in Obama. Perhaps it is style over substance and that is why I've not absolutely committed myself. I only hope others will give him an opportunity to make his case. Don't dismiss him just because he doesn't fit some preconceived ideal.
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He's not Newt Gingrich, Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Rudy Giuliani, Jesse Jackson, Sam Brownback, John Edwards, George W.Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, John McCain, Mitt Romney or Dennis Kucinich.
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Considering that I've voted Republican since 1984 (I was going to vote for Gary Hart but something happened on the way to the election). I can hardly be called fickle.
I think Obama is more than just attractive and well spoken. In any event, I'm leaning toward national healthcare. I'll be honest. Watching my children suffer for lack of health care and losing my health care when I needed it most has had a large impact in my life.
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So that's what the original ad looked like. I kinda like it.
Unfortunately, I just saw what some really whacked-out anti-Hillary people did with that ad.
It's over five minutes long with a [rule8]-to-the-wall screed about Juanita Broaddrick cut in (almost subliminally; if you want to read it, you have to stop the ad - engage with it). Here is the real slime. This is some real Internet propaganda. It even directs you to a site called deletehillary.com.
And remember, it's only March 2007.
Unfortunately, I just saw what some really whacked-out anti-Hillary people did with that ad.
It's over five minutes long with a [rule8]-to-the-wall screed about Juanita Broaddrick cut in (almost subliminally; if you want to read it, you have to stop the ad - engage with it). Here is the real slime. This is some real Internet propaganda. It even directs you to a site called deletehillary.com.
And remember, it's only March 2007.
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I heard Drudge report tonight (yeah, I listen to Sludge sometimes; what else is on Sunday night?) that Obama stated he had nothing to do with the ad. If that is true, I'd like to see him request that the very ending be removed as a way to distance him from this.
Randfan, if health care is a significant issue for you, take a look at Edwards. He's the only one with the cojones so far to put a specific proposal on the table. The rest are just talk.
Randfan, if health care is a significant issue for you, take a look at Edwards. He's the only one with the cojones so far to put a specific proposal on the table. The rest are just talk.
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I'll happily look at his proposal. And I'll do so with an open mind. I'm not interested in my side wining. I honestly wish everyone would be less dogmatic about the elections. Guliani and McCain are not neo-cons. I wish more Democrats would be willing to consider them. Ok, perhaps that's not fair. Perhaps they would be.
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Tony, did you mean to leave out Bill Richardson, or do you find him at least somewhat appealing?
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I wonder about Giuliani on that score.
IMO, McCain's window of opportunity was 2000. He missed it.
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Um, getting back to the point of this thread, I think the ad glamorizes Hillary. She looks modern, feminine, and also authoritative, and underscores that she is in fact the front runner, which, OK, she is, at this point. But Obama is not exactly the "underdog" compared to Edwards or Richarson. Plus, Obama's photo image is not in this, so it seems more "anti-Her" than "pro-Him."
So I don't know how many votes he will grab away from her based on this video.
So I don't know how many votes he will grab away from her based on this video.