9/11 — The Myth & the Reality

A W Smith said:
Give me one example. Just one. Of how your rights were violated since 911? No shampoo at the airport? No sharps on board planes? Did someone make you take your shoes off? did you have to walk the long way around a concrete jersey barrier? Were you forced to pick up a passenger to drive through the holland tunnel? Poor baby.
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Habeus Corpus. Wiretapping without a warrant.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Of course not! But if the person handing out the leaflet has actually watched the film, I'd give them more credibility.
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And by implying you would give them less had they not watched it, you are admitting to practical ad hom tactics. The evidence supplied in the leaflet should stand, or fall, on its own merit; not that of the person distributing it.
 
Welcome back, Arkan! Hope you had a relaxing vacation.

I guess scg thinks it's amusing when people like Rosie O'Donnell exercise their "little hobby" by claiming that KSM's confessions shouldn't be believed, but that Loose Change should. Defending mass-murdering terrorists isn't much of a hobby, and I doubt if she'd be doing so if she weren't so eager to lap up misinformation because of political bias.

Damn right these things matter.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
You know this is not true. Many of the truthers love to point out all the past shenanigans, real or imagined, of the U.S. government and their negative results.

Have you ever heard of the Heaven's Gate Cult? The Jonestown Massacre? How about the various attacks on abortion clinics? Slavery?
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I've heard of all of those. What's your point?
 
Gravy said:
I guess scg thinks it's amusing when people like Rosie O'Donnell exercise their "little hobby" by claiming that KSM's confessions shouldn't be believed, but that Loose Change should. Defending mass-murdering terrorists isn't much of a hobby, and I doubt if she'd be doing so if she weren't so eager to lap up misinformation because of political bias.

Damn right these things matter.
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Can you honestly tell me that you believe the KSM confession? In its entirety?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
And by implying you would give them less had they not watched it, you are admitting to practical ad hom tactics. The evidence supplied in the leaflet should stand, or fall, on its own merit; not that of the person distributing it.
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But in reality, people will give more cridibility to somebody who they know watched the same film.

(Just trying to help y'all with your strategy).
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Are you saying that the Mt. Carmel people were paranoid and had "incorrect worldviews?"
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Not at all. Their belief that they were God's choice to survive the End Times, and that Koresh was the head of the Biblical House of David, but that rather than rely on God's good will they'd better stock up on machine guns and ammo, is a perfectly rational position.
 
pardon me i though SCG was a terrorist or terrorist apologist or sympathizer

Arkan_Wolfshade said:
The PATRIOT Act was a piece of legislation with many components. Referring to the legislation does not enumerate a right that you have lost, which was the request made.
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Oh you mean he is not typing from GITMO on a wire tapped Internet connection?

Oh well then I ask again. what rights of SCG have been violated?
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Arkan, can you explain each of these? Are you saying that the Mt. Carmel people were paranoid and had "incorrect worldviews?" So the Clinton Admin was justified?
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Yes, they were paranoid. They had extremist religous worldviews. They violated federal firearms law. They allowed sexual child abuse to occur. Shall I go on?
 
Gravy said:
Welcome back, Arkan! Hope you had a relaxing vacation.

I guess scg thinks it's amusing when people like Rosie O'Donnell exercise their "little hobby" by claiming that KSM's confessions shouldn't be believed, but that Loose Change should. Defending mass-murdering terrorists isn't much of a hobby, and I doubt if she'd be doing so if she weren't so eager to lap up misinformation because of political bias.

Damn right these things matter.
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Thanks! It was excellent, though a bit exciting as I was onboard this cruise ship.
 
scooby said:
See call me a good old fashioned skeptic - but I thought this judgement would be up to the people watching the film - one for them to make for themselves?
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I absolutely agree, although I think they should hear the facts before making up their mind by watching a misleading and lie filled movie.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
But in reality, people will give more cridibility to somebody who they know watched the same film.

(Just trying to help y'all with your strategy).
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That does not make your point any less logically fallacious. For an argument to have credibility it must be both factually accurate, and logically consistent.
 
Gravy said:
I haven't read the confession in its entirety but will do so. Yes or no: does the evidence show that KSM a mass-murdering terrorist?
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Well, either a whole bunch of CTs all got cleaned up in one confession, or, he isn't credible.

We know he's a megalomaniac; perhaps he's a mythomaniac?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
They allowed sexual child abuse to occur. Shall I go on?
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We were told this. Is there any proof?

Funny, I had a friend who said to me "the only member of the Clinton administration I admire is Janet Reno. She's got balls." Well, then he listened to Limbaugh, and got fed his talking points. She quickly became "the Butcher of Waco."
 
A W Smith said:
Oh you mean he is not typing from GITMO on a wire tapped Internet connection?

Oh well then I ask again. what rights of SCG have been violated?
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I said rights have been lost. That's different than violated. I personally haven't been violated, yet. But then, I haven't been accused of being a terrorist. Yet.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, either a whole bunch of CTs all got cleaned up in one confession, or, he isn't credible.

We know he's a megalomaniac; perhaps he's a mythomaniac?
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Okay, you avoided the question. I'll rephrase it.

Do you believe that the 9/11 Commission report presents a strong case that KSM is guilty of acts of terrorism?
 
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