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Homosexuality

Don't forget fetishes, which are more common than most people think.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But is that individual sexualy atracted to them or useing the only sexual outlet available?
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That's something only the individual in question would know.

If he has a choice between several outlets, and chooses a particular one over the others, then it would seem to indicate real attraction--if and only if all the other characteristics were the same. Which seems unlikely, in prison. It could be anything from convenience (same cell) to political reasons (gang affiliation) to logistical practicalities (weaker) to aesthetics (looks most like a girl).

It would be really difficult to set up a proper experiment that could control for all the possible variables...
 
TragicMonkey said:
Perhaps making the jump from one sex to another is just a stronger form of the changes in sexual tastes within one's usual sex-of-choice. I'm referring to what I expect everyone here has experienced at some point--you find yourself attracted to a different "type" than you used to be.
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Thank you for being civil and giving some interesting thought to my questions.:)

I have one issue with your logic. Those dopy Christian groups that try to "convert" gays. I heard a rational debate on this recently on NPR. One guy "converted" and was now a happily-married, church-goer... bla bla bla. The other guy I heard in this story tried this convertion, and discovered being gay is who he genuinely was, and that the convertion thing was bogus, and a denial. He was more persuasive to me. The converted guy seemed sort of, I don't know, brainwashed a bit.

Wouldn't this somewhat run counter to the idea of fluidity in sexual preference?
 
steverino said:
Thank you for being civil and giving some interesting thought to my questions.:)

I have one issue with your logic. Those dopy Christian groups that try to "convert" gays. I heard a rational debate on this recently on NPR. One guy "converted" and was now a happily-married, church-goer... bla bla bla. The other guy I heard in this story tried this convertion, and discovered being gay is who he genuinely was, and that the convertion thing was bogus, and a denial. He was more persuasive to me. The other guy seemed sort of, I don't know, brainwashed a bit.

Wouldn't this somewhat run counter to the idea of fluidity in sexual preference?
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Are you suggesting that someone like Ted Haggard might be something other than the raging heterosexual he presented himself to be in that recent HBO documentary?

Fundamentalists have the best sex lives with their wives so says Ted Haggard, unfortunately they did not ask him about the role of crystal meth and gay prostitutes in this sex life. A pity.
 
Lonewulf said:
Don't forget fetishes, which are more common than most people think.
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And they affect people to a different degree. Some people have just one, others several. And many are able to pursue interests outside their fetishes, while others are exclusively interested in their fetish and possess no outside sexual tastes.

Although there is a school of thought that finds fetishes to be psychological issues rather than sexual tastes...but then, they used to say that about liking one's own sex, too.
 
steverino said:
Thank you for being civil and giving some interesting thought to my questions.:)

I have one issue with your logic. Those dopy Christian groups that try to "convert" gays. I heard a rational debate on this recently on NPR. One guy "converted" and was now a happily-married, church-goer... bla bla bla. The other guy I heard in this story tried this convertion, and discovered being gay is who he genuinely was, and that the convertion thing was bogus, and a denial. He was more persuasive to me. The converted guy seemed sort of, I don't know, brainwashed a bit.

Wouldn't this somewhat run counter to the idea of fluidity in sexual preference?
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I think that the answer is far more than simply one or the other. It's not just genetics, it's not just fluidity, it's not just fetishes. It's a bunch of different factors, that varies from individual to individual. TO claim that there's just one explanation simplifies the situation way too much.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And they affect people to a different degree. Some people have just one, others several. And many are able to pursue interests outside their fetishes, while others are exclusively interested in their fetish and possess no outside sexual tastes.

Although there is a school of thought that finds fetishes to be psychological issues rather than sexual tastes...but then, they used to say that about liking one's own sex, too.
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So where are the BDSM penquins? I want BDSM Penquins!!! Or at the very least foot fetish penquins!

Why should the Gay Penguins get all the press?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So where are the BDSM penquins? I want BDSM Penquins!!! Or at the very least foot fetish penquins!

Why should the Gay Penguins get all the press?
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I had a cat that went crazy over fur blankets. That counts.

What, animals can't develop psychological issues? I don't think you know the same animals I do.
 
steverino said:
I have one issue with your logic. Those dopy Christian groups that try to "convert" gays. I heard a rational debate on this recently on NPR. One guy "converted" and was now a happily-married, church-goer... bla bla bla. The other guy I heard in this story tried this convertion, and discovered being gay is who he genuinely was, and that the convertion thing was bogus, and a denial. He was more persuasive to me. The converted guy seemed sort of, I don't know, brainwashed a bit.

Wouldn't this somewhat run counter to the idea of fluidity in sexual preference?
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Not really. I believe preference is fluid...but we don't control the tides. I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to switch to a desired setting on the scale. (But then, I cannot understand how people can believe things by choice. Me, my mind decides what I believe for me. It's not voluntary. Any more than I can pick what turns me on.)

As for converted gays, you can generally find them in the corner, looking furtive, in any gay bar in the Bible Belt. I'm told they're generally easy, but not worth it because they tend to cry and pray afterwards (or during!).
 
TragicMonkey said:
As for converted gays, you can generally find them in the corner, looking furtive, in any gay bar in the Bible Belt. I'm told they're generally easy, but not worth it because they tend to cry and pray afterwards (or during!).
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:D
 
Lonewulf said:
I had a cat that went crazy over fur blankets. That counts.

What, animals can't develop psychological issues? I don't think you know the same animals I do.
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I had a cat that would lick and suck on one particular spot on the carpet. There was nothing to distinguish that spot from any other, and nothing unusual had ever happened there. She just liked that one spot. A lot.

And my grandmother had a poodle that would attempt to mate with any stuffed animal it could find. The weirdest part was that the poodle was female, but she'd assume the male position. It was disturbing. Not the sort of thing you want happening in front of your grandmother.
 
steverino said:
Slight derail, but I used to photograph a lot of weddings. If it happened to rain on the wedding day, the bride's mom would sometimes say, "You promised us a sunny day."
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Did you follow that with, "move a little to your left please"?
 
TragicMonkey said:
As for converted gays, you can generally find them in the corner, looking furtive, in any gay bar in the Bible Belt. I'm told they're generally easy, but not worth it because they tend to cry and pray afterwards (or during!).
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How sad, if true.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
How sad, if true.

DR
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Oh, it is. It really sucks to be unhappy with being who you are. Which is why some people are miserable, others try to convince themselves they've changed, and others suicide. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some people have successfully "converted"...but I'm willing to bet the number of successful "conversions" is much smaller than the number of suicides.
 
American said:
If you believe it's not a choice, then they shouldn't.

Most women learn (and rightly resent) through hard experience that it's really all excuses and bulls--t queers make to justify their existence and avoid building a normal life.

The really intuitive women know to keep gays the hell away from their kids at all cost. Even lesbians have this good sense despite their commitment to "tolerance".

While effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that gay predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.
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You were once some guy's b*tch, weren't you? He made you wear a collar and he led you around on a leash. Then the straight All-American football star you had a crush on in high school saw you in a gay pride parade being led on a leash, and he laughed at you and threw an egg at your head. It broke your heart into pieces and scarred it over, and you disavowed your homosexuality from that day forth. You tried dating girls but resented it, and you blamed your miserable state on the first guy who stirred your loins and convinced you that your homosexuality was natural. But it's a choice, dammit! If that guy hadn't messed with your mind and made you a victim, you wouldn't have this gay mental illness today! You would be married to a perfectly adequate woman and make perfectly adequate straight love with her and be happy.
 
chipmunk stew said:
You were once some guy's b*tch, weren't you? He made you wear a collar and he led you around on a leash. Then the straight All-American football star you had a crush on in high school saw you in a gay pride parade being led on a leash, and he laughed at you and threw an egg at your head. It broke your heart into pieces and scarred it over, and you disavowed your homosexuality from that day forth. You tried dating girls but resented it, and you blamed your miserable state on the first guy who stirred your loins and convinced you that your homosexuality was natural. But it's a choice, dammit! If that guy hadn't messed with your mind and made you a victim, you wouldn't have this gay mental illness today! You would be married to a perfectly adequate woman and make perfectly adequate straight love with her and be happy.
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Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

Gays and Nazis are one and the same.
 
American said:
Gays and Nazis are one and the same.
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Gays and Nazis are... what the frak?

This has to be the worst thing I've ever heard you say, and what with what limited exposure to your twisted mind I've had, it's really counting.

I find it intriguing that the website you linked to is obviously trying to link homosexuals with pedophiles.

What about the fact that homosexuals were either forced to "convert" to heterosexuality or were killed in Hitler's genocide? Oh, crap! Don't let the facts get in the way of your bigotry.

Man. This is like the 9/11 CT.
 
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American said:
Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

Gays and Nazis are one and the same.
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From that article:

Igra reports that Heinrich Hoffman, the official Nazi photographer, gained his position by using information about Hitler's perverse abuse of his (Hoffman's) daughter to blackmail the future Fuehrer (Igra:74). Heiden relates another story in which Hitler bought an entire collection of rare political writings to regain possession of a letter to his niece in which he openly revealed his "masochistic- coprophil inclinations"

In the above remarks, Hitler has sex with two females. How that proves gays are the same as nazis I do not know.
 
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