Prophecy Timeline Challenge

[Darth Rotor]

My "false skeptical" prediction: this thread's going nowhere!

Nine pages later, your million bucks won't be showing up any time soon. In your defense, you could call this whole thread nine pages of nowhere.

Hmmm, that sounds like the title of an off Broadway play: Nine Pages to Nowhere.

DR

 

[Tirdun]

These things are all evil. If the bible is true then these are all facts. I'm having difficulty overcoming these facts. Any ideas?

Stirs up a memory. The epiphany I experienced during my first attempt to read the Bible objectively and getting halfway through Joshua.

KJV Joshua 10:40So Joshua conquered all the land: the mountain country and the South and the lowland and the wilderness slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel had commanded. 41 And Joshua conquered them from Kadesh Barnea as far as Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even as far as Gibeon. 42 All these kings and their land Joshua took at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel.

 

[Darth Rotor]

unlike some here i thought that was rather funny!!

Thank you, that was the intent.

Some other people have chips on their shoulders.

By the way, I am guessing that your name is shorthand for 'my life my honor."

Did I guess that correctly?

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

Stirs up a memory. The epiphany I experienced during my first attempt to read the Bible objectively and getting halfway through Joshua.

Joshua tends to show a justification for war, and even for genocidal war.

I personally find Saint Augustine more sensible on the matter of finding a sound "justification" for war.

You could take Joshua, an OT source, as justification for Israel to wipe the Pals off the map in the Holy Land. Funnily enough, the Israelis don't take that position. I wonder why that is.

Does anyone know the estimated length of time it will take to rebuild the temple, should that ever occur? They have drawn up plans. Does anyone know what timetable the plans call for? Wouldn't there be a need to clear some land first on the temple mount? Are there any building codes in Israel that would have to be applied to this new building?

All questions well asked. I suspect that those who are pursuing this have indeed petitioned the Israeli government for such detailed sanction. DJJ is not the only one around advocating the rebuilding of the Temple, etc. (With just one wall left, one must admit that architecturally it is somewhat lacking.)

It seems like this war with Iran and construction on the temple might need to begin very, very soon, because if the Trib begins in 2012, then the Covenant will have to have been signed around March of 2009. That's 2 years from now.

The war with Iran is contingent upon Iran and everyone else not finding a way to get along. Since W and his folks have finally agreed to start talking formally with Iran, I'd say the pressure has just backed off a bit.

And if this King David of the Endtimes, this John Connor battling Skynet, does take charge and produces the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, it looks like he better get busy NOW! And how will one get all of these people over to the Rock City of Petra? And in short order there are going to be 2 prophets, this King David being one, who have the power of mythical dragons to blow fire out of their mouths and consume their enemies, and at some point the Sun will become "black as sackcloth of hair" and the Moon will become as "blood" (Rev. Chapter 7)........

I'll take a ZSU 23 battery and a platoon of Abrams tanks against those dragons any day of the week. Depending on how big they are, I might call in a few Apache helicopters.

DR

 

[mylfmyhnr]

Thank you, that was the intent.

Some other people have chips on their shoulders.

By the way, I am guessing that your name is shorthand for 'my life my honor."

Did I guess that correctly?

DR

yep! i've been using that moniker for years now and i think you're the first to get it

 

[Foster Zygote]

yep! i've been using that moniker for years now and i think you're the first to get it

Doh! I thought it was My You Look Familiar, Might You Have No Religion?

 

[Tanstaafl]

yep! i've been using that moniker for years now and i think you're the first to get it

Depends on how long ago he got it. I just didn't say anything.

I like it though.

 

[Malachi151]

Possible war with Iran, notwithstanding - what is fantastic is this belief that an ordinary human being will suddenly be able to blow - out of his mouth, mind you - enough fire with enough heat and in such a direct way as to consume his enemies and leave nothing but ashes, not figuratively, but literally. The mind that can accept this as reality is quite extraordinary. There is a current DQ commercial advertising their Flamethrowers. Is there a connection?

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This comes from an older Persian oracle that was talking about a prophet of God, meaning the Zoroastrian god Ahura Mazda, who would be killed by the Roman Emperor:

When the close of the times draws nigh, a great prophet shall be sent from God to turn men to the knowledge of God, and he shall receive the power of doing wonderful things. Wherever men shall not hear him, he will shut up the heaven, and cause it to withhold its rains; he will turn their water into blood, and torment them with thirst and hunger; and if any one shall endeavour to injure him, fire shall come forth out of his mouth, and shall burn that man. By these prodigies and powers he shall turn many to the worship of God; and when his works shall be accomplished, another king shall arise out of Syria, born from an evil spirit, the overthrower and destroyer of the human race, who shall destroy that which is left by the former evil, together with himself. He shall fight against the prophet of God, and shall overcome, and slay him, and shall suffer him to lie unburied; but after the third day he shall come to life again; and while all look on and wonder, he shall be caught up into heaven. But that king will not only be most disgraceful in himself, but he will also be a prophet of lies; and he will constitute and call himself God, and will order himself to be worshipped as the Son of God; and power will be given him to do signs and wonders, by the sight of which he may entice men to adore him. He will command fire to come down from heaven, and the sun to stand and leave his course, and an image to speak; and these things shall be done at his word,—by which miracles many even of the wise shall be enticed by him. Then he will attempt to destroy the temple of God, and persecute the righteous people; and there will be distress and tribulation, such as there never has been from the beginning of the world.
- Oracle of Hystaspes, 2nd century BCE, recorded here by Lacantatius in the 3rd century

In this case the "Son of God" is a term being applied to the evil one who symbolizes the emperor. This is sort of the basis for the whole "anti-Christ" concept, and was likely a known oracle of the person who wrote the Apocalypse of John, a.k.a. Revelation. Several early Christians commented on this oracle.

Of course, in reality all of the "fulfilled prophecies" in the Bible were written after the fact by people who used older scriptures as the basis for their knew stories.

 

[mylfmyhnr]

Doh! I thought it was My You Look Familiar, Might You Have No Religion?

sigh, no, i'm not that deep and i must say i think i like your's better!!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I like how you work in that we have to accept your status as a prophet before any of your prophecies are verified.

At least the Lord's prophecy gives me and others FOREsight rather than your HINDsight.... for if you have to always wait to see, you will be seeing and experiencing what you didn;t want to see and believe before.

Your choice, your responsibility.... but remember prophecy is foresight, in advance before the events happen, so you can avoid the devoid... etc. etc... and be on the right side

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Nine pages later, your million bucks won't be showing up any time soon. In your defense, you could call this whole thread nine pages of nowhere.

Hmmm, that sounds like the title of an off Broadway play: Nine Pages to Nowhere.

DR

If this thread on true prophecy is going nowhere, why add to it another mile. Just let the interested, discuss it without interruptions, to let them get somewhere and get to the future.

DJJ

 

[Foster Zygote]

At least the Lord's prophecy gives me and others FOREsight rather than your HINDsight.... for if you have to always wait to see, you will be seeing and experiencing what you didn;t want to see and believe before.

Your choice, your responsibility.... but remember prophecy is foresight, in advance before the events happen, so you can avoid the devoid... etc. etc... and be on the right side

We can avoid the Noid by making scientific observations about the way the world works so that we can predict many things that are likely to occur. Until you, or any other "prophet" can make verifiable predictions of future events I'll remain skeptical of your prophecies.

 

[Paulhoff]

If this thread on true prophecy is going nowhere, why add to it another mile. Just let the interested, discuss it without interruptions, to let them get somewhere and get to the future.

DJJ

Oh gee, it is another chase of thread interruptus.

Paul

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Oh gee, it is another chase of thread interruptus.

Paul

El Papa, he will get you for that! Say twenty Hail Marys and think of Mother Teresa (SPIT) next time.

 

[Cosmo]

From DJJ's own website:

So who was Jesus ? Well you have to got to figure that one out yourself and decide for yourself this most important question in all the world. You can't trust what others say about him whether good or bad, whether true or false because the responsibility lies on the shoulders of each of us to decide on his 'divinity'.

Neat. I can now safely ignore the rest of what DJJ says. After all, DJJ told me so.

 

[slingblade]

I will remind you Bjorn, that DQ Flamethrower technology is still a matter of national security, and is not to be discussed in a public forum...

Fire and Ice
by Robert Frost


Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.



Blizzards(tm) and Flamethrowers(tm)

Hie thee to the CT forum!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Choose what?

To believe in a being who tortured and killed babies, infants and children in the flood?
To believe in a being who stood by while Moses ordered the murder of young boys?
To believe in a being who condoned slavery?
To believe in a being that delighted in the murder of children?

These things are all evil. If the bible is true then these are all facts. I'm having difficulty overcoming these facts. Any ideas?

Rand, you are getting very religious and believe you are more righteous than the Lord and wiser and more loving. Sorry but I just haven;t seen that so far from you, yet do see that you think you can accuse the Lord.

But wait til you see what happens in the future, for the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away to the spirit world where He treats everyone fairly and lovingly.

But as mentioned when the earthquakes hit, and the plagues hit, and you start to complain more and more as well as the other athiests who say they don;t believe in the Lord, then still more and more calamities will hit, and the two prophets of the Lord will be the ones doing it to the world's populations, for the world has chosen poorly.

SEE Gods future judgments and our Faith
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Godsjudgments.html

And yet surely you will still be complaining about the Lord and his lack of love, even though you deny his love and wisdom.

Strange doctrine you have Rand...

 

[mylfmyhnr]

Depends on how long ago he got it. I just didn't say anything.

I like it though.

not to ruin your opinions of me, but it's 'she'

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I like how you work in that we have to accept your status as a prophet before any of your prophecies are verified.

Actually biblically if you heard from the Lord you were suppose to prophesy BEFORE not after an event..

But if wrong, they were to kill you as that was the penalty for pretending to be a prophet.

Deu 18:20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

But then again read the verse before that.... as that is the responsibility of those that hear a true prophecy...

Deu 18:19And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

Choices choices choices......

As the Lord gives choices and didn;t make a controlled robotic world, but one where man and woman have to choose , choose choose...

 

[Paulhoff]

Rand, you are getting very religious and believe you are more righteous than the Lord and wiser and more loving. Sorry but I just haven;t seen that so far from you, yet do see that you think you can accuse the Lord.

And where are you being different from what you say about him:

But wait til you see what happens in the future, for the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away to the spirit world where He treats everyone fairly and lovingly.

Tell that to the children with cancer etc.

But as mentioned when the earthquakes hit, and the plagues hit, and you start to complain more and more as well as the other athiests who say they don;t believe in the Lord, then still more and more calamities will hit, and the two prophets of the Lord will be the ones doing it to the world's populations, for the world has chosen poorly.

Tell that again to the children who where hit with the earthquakes and plagues: besides these things have nothing to do with a so-called god that does not exist

And yet surely you will still be complaining about the Lord and his lack of love, even though you deny his love and wisdom.

I see no wisdom, just someone who has is head in the sand, and there is no so-called god:

Strange doctrine you have Rand...

Not near as strange has you defending a poor idea of a so-called god who makes imperfect being and then punishes them for being imperfect.

Paul